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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 2:33pm

Cheating in BF4 since BF1 release

I very rarely would see a cheat in BF4 in the old days but since BF1 came out it seems there is a cheater in every other match, brazenly cheating too, not subtle. I back this up by searching people on BF4DB and i-stats if I have major doubts and they are always flagged as cheaters or even banned but seem to make it on the servers.

Is this because server admins are not bothering with multiple anti-cheat systems any more or what? Combined with the low server pops it feels like BF1 is killing BF4 while itself not being a worthy alternative :(

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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 3:28pm

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Is this because server admins are not bothering with multiple anti-cheat systems any more or what?

*cough*fromexperience*cough* I can tell that servers can run ban "streamers" which keep record of the bans across servers or even games. However since one of the patches year(s) ago server admins/plugins can not kick players if they want to be official (or even ranked? Not sure).
Hence plugins can keep saying "Banning xxx for yyy for violation zzz", but they really can not kick the players.
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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 4:21pm

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I very rarely would see a cheat in BF4 in the old days but since BF1 came out it seems there is a cheater in every other match, brazenly cheating too, not subtle. I back this up by searching people on BF4DB and i-stats if I have major doubts and they are always flagged as cheaters or even banned but seem to make it on the servers.

Is this because server admins are not bothering with multiple anti-cheat systems any more or what? Combined with the low server pops it feels like BF1 is killing BF4 while itself not being a worthy alternative :(
Well, BF4+premium now is a part of Origin Access, which costs 249RUB or ~4,15$ per month. Potential cheaters don't even have to bother about searching for buying a hacked/stolen cheap account.
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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 5:04pm

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Is this because server admins are not bothering with multiple anti-cheat systems any more or what?

*cough*fromexperience*cough* I can tell that servers can run ban "streamers" which keep record of the bans across servers or even games. However since one of the patches year(s) ago server admins/plugins can not kick players if they want to be official (or even ranked? Not sure).
Hence plugins can keep saying "Banning xxx for yyy for violation zzz", but they really can not kick the players.



Shit I had no idea, that sucks! Are EA/DICE insane? Why take so much power out of the admins hands. It never used to bother me getting kicked occasionally by badmins abusing their power but them having no power at all is just awful :/

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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 5:16pm

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Quoted from "Rawrgle"

Is this because server admins are not bothering with multiple anti-cheat systems any more or what?

*cough*fromexperience*cough* I can tell that servers can run ban "streamers" which keep record of the bans across servers or even games. However since one of the patches year(s) ago server admins/plugins can not kick players if they want to be official (or even ranked? Not sure).
Hence plugins can keep saying "Banning xxx for yyy for violation zzz", but they really can not kick the players.



Shit I had no idea, that sucks! Are EA/DICE insane? Why take so much power out of the admins hands. It never used to bother me getting kicked occasionally by badmins abusing their power but them having no power at all is just awful :/


Automated master ban/kick lists had serious issues with false positives, especially when some of them started using what amounted to spiteful bans as part of the banlist entries. The fall of various ban-lists has been discussed here before, with some nice information but I couldn't find the thread.

The reduction in admin power is not all bad. The flipside is that I haven't been banned for "cheating" by a butthurt server admin once in BF1. Ban-happy/asshole admins have been a pervasive problem in all of the BFs until this one.

Clearly a happy medium hasn't been reached, but it's not ALL bad.

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