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Friday, September 30th 2016, 10:03pm

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This might be the silliest statement I have heard in some time.

Ditto! Instead of just labeling my statement as silly, how about you make an argument? In my opinion, Dawnbreaker fits the attack helicopter better than a big open map like Golmud Railway. An even better fit is Siege Of Shanghai since there is no mobile anti-aircraft and a lot of buildings for cover. That is why I wrote it is "somewhat useful" on Dawnbreaker.

The AH is certainly "somewhat useful" on other maps, even Golmud. Golmud has lots of cover if you fly low and use the terrain, and remember that long range works for the heli too, not just the AA.

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Saturday, October 1st 2016, 1:25am

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Ditto! Instead of just labeling my statement as silly, how about you make an argument? In my opinion, Dawnbreaker fits the attack helicopter better than a big open map like Golmud Railway. An even better fit is Siege Of Shanghai since there is no mobile anti-aircraft and a lot of buildings for cover. That is why I wrote it is "somewhat useful" on Dawnbreaker.

An excellent suggestion. I find that people think the heli "ineffective" on the large portion of maps because they use it incorrectly. Many seem to use it as a glorified scout heli, and rarely engage targets further than 100 meters. This is a bad idea. Even on Golmud, you can be outside of MAA and MANPAD range and still kill infantry and armor--both pilot and gunner can kill tanks effectively from 450 meters with a bit of practice. It has a huge skill ceiling, and few players invest the time or effort to learn its playstyle. Golmud is probably my favorite Atheli map, since I my gunner and I can sit above the ridgeline by A/B on either side and prevent any armor and infantry from pushing A, B, and C. If the MAA becomes a problem, TV+TOW outdamages 30mm and 20mm by a fair margin at 400m.

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Saturday, October 1st 2016, 1:30am

That reminds me of one experience I recently had in "Battlefield 3". I had spawned in the Attack Helicopter on the roof of the TV Station and since I could not fly, I switched to the gunner seat and just rained death over pretty much the entire map.

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Sunday, October 2nd 2016, 10:00pm

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The AH is certainly "somewhat useful" on other maps, even Golmud. Golmud has lots of cover if you fly low and use the terrain, and remember that long range works for the heli too, not just the AA.

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An excellent suggestion. I find that people think the heli "ineffective" on the large portion of maps because they use it incorrectly. Many seem to use it as a glorified scout heli, and rarely engage targets further than 100 meters. This is a bad idea. Even on Golmud, you can be outside of MAA and MANPAD range and still kill infantry and armor--both pilot and gunner can kill tanks effectively from 450 meters with a bit of practice. It has a huge skill ceiling, and few players invest the time or effort to learn its playstyle. Golmud is probably my favorite Atheli map, since I my gunner and I can sit above the ridgeline by A/B on either side and prevent any armor and infantry from pushing A, B, and C. If the MAA becomes a problem, TV+TOW outdamages 30mm and 20mm by a fair margin at 400m.

Can not argue with that! That is what every good attack helicopter team did in Battlefield 3. But like you said, "it has a huge skill ceiling, and few players invest the time or effort to learn its playstyle". Furthermore it requires good communication between pilot and gunner. I am sure the majority of Battlefield 4 players are casual gamers and play by themselves. What happens when an experienced pilot and some "blueberry" gunner try to engage targets from far away? The gunner will most likely bail because the pilot is not aggressive enough in his eyes. Obviously nobody wants an empty server, to throw money away. Probably the best way to avoid this is to create a gaming experience that is appealing to the masses. The casual gamer, by definition, will not invest the time and effort that is needed to be a good pilot or gunner on a map like Golmud Railway.

Edit: I think I have found a setup a lot of people would enjoy. Operation Firestorm is still one of the most played maps in Battlefield 3. In Battlefield 4, there are a few servers that run this map but only with up to 48 players. I would love to recreate the Battlefield 3 experience. 64 players, 800 to 1000 tickets (so a round lasts about 30 to 45 minutes) coupled with a relativ high tick rate (60 Hz). I would probably swap the positions of the bases, though. In my opinion, on Operation Firestorm 2014 the US has a small advantage. They have a big mountain near the base which provides cover for the attack helicopter and D-flag gives the commander the option to deploy a gunship. Since a lot of people consider the US vehicles as being superior to the RU ones, I think it would be fair to give RU the map advantage.

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Monday, October 3rd 2016, 7:59am

It really seems to me that the Australian servers must be very different from most other countries. last night there were 3 different "locker 24/7" servers, then I come on here and hear that there are no servers running lockers lol. It was the same with metro in BF3, all just close range clusterf$%# maps like metro and seine with no dlc maps in sight. I think i can count on one hand the number of times I've seen naval assault maps on an aussie server. I generally assume nobody has the dlc. At least vanilla BF4 maps are somewhat decent. BF3 was just awful knowing that all the best maps were never available.

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Monday, October 3rd 2016, 8:18am

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It really seems to me that the Australian servers must be very different from most other countries. last night there were 3 different "locker 24/7" servers, then I come on here and hear that there are no servers running lockers lol. It was the same with metro in BF3, all just close range clusterf$%# maps like metro and seine with no dlc maps in sight. I think i can count on one hand the number of times I've seen naval assault maps on an aussie server. I generally assume nobody has the dlc. At least vanilla BF4 maps are somewhat decent. BF3 was just awful knowing that all the best maps were never available.

For "Battlefield 3" on PC, there is sadly just a single server left in North America that runs all the Premium maps and gets any consistent traffic. Even though that is the case, many people who frequent the server constantly vote for vanilla maps that could be played on half a dozen other servers.

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Monday, October 3rd 2016, 11:16pm

Well it has something to do with the quality of the maps and their themes. In BF4 most maps are either designed for close combat infantry or for vehicle lovers. Good combined warfare maps are hard to find. From the top of my head I can think of Zavod, Caspian Border, Propaganda and maybe Firestorm. Also BF4 pretty much totally dismissed urban warfare, at least in a way they portrayed it in BF3, which is a highly popular scenario.
Personally there are maybe seven maps that I do enjoy playing with 32 players, a couple that I do not care about, and the rest I utterly despise.

To add to the topic, the easiest way is indeed to make the server official to fill it up and than sneak in the DLC maps at peak times, this way you might not lose too many players over a bad round or map. Also high tickets and odd rules/server options turn people off.
What I really found is that people tend to leave servers a lot and switch to another at the end of the round because the transition between two rounds is just too long.

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Tuesday, October 4th 2016, 2:09pm

It's funny, right after posting I found the first ever example of an Australian server trying to really mix things up. It was a mix of vanilla and dlc maps, with most rules set to normal, but health set to 60 and vehicle respawns set to about half the time. It was very stranger playing what was essentially hardcore but with mini maps, spotting and auto heal. While I wouldn't say it was something i'd want to do all the time, it just demonstrated to me the lost potential of personal servers. It was very refreshing and made going back to the same old vanilla normal cycle that much more dull.

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Sunday, October 9th 2016, 3:07pm

It is probably too short of a time period to bring a verdict... Nonetheless, after trying to get a server going for almost a week, here is what I learned regarding the game modes Conquest (Small) and Conquest Large. Forget Conquest (Small), without some advertising or being part of a platoon or clan, it is highly unlikely people join a server that offers this game mode. There are very few servers that generate signifcant traffic using Conquest (Small), they are all run by what appears to be a giant gaming community. Most people play the "signature game mode", Conquest Large. So if you want to run a server succesfully from the start, choose Conquest Large with 48 to 64 players (depending on the amount of flags) and a map like Golmud Railway or Operation Firestorm 2014. I can not tell what will happen with a map rotation, have not tried it yet.

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Sunday, October 9th 2016, 5:41pm

so, am i the only one who likes mix mode servers? just playing conquest over and over bores me to death, at least in bf4.

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