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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 8:55am

Why can't I aim at the full resolution?

Hello guys,

I've played BF2 1.0, 1.5, BFBC2, a little BF3 and now BF4.

Sometime in BF3 they told me to play at 720p for higher FPS and better reg. So I did, but implemented it using black bars and a tiny picture in the screen center, as opposed to a low resolution upscaled to the full screen. And it felt niiiice, I mean, no recoil, very accurate aim, so on so forth. Switching back to full screen was very hard, since the same cm / 360 felt very jerky all of a sudden, and lowering that resulted in los of muscle memory.

Now in BF4, I've been playing in a window for a while, and here's my sens: 800 DPI * 0.05 in-game with a Logitech G303. Been getting > 25 accuracy sometimes, but 20 to 25% typically. With that setup the aim felt nice, steady, and reasonably "heavy", so to say.

And then I decided to try fullhd - 24", utilizing the complete real estate my Dell monitor provides. Same cm / 360 and I can't aim ... well, nothing. Tried setting 1200 DPI * 0.03, which kinda feels the same cm / 360 - wise, but it felt so jerky! Tried 1200 * 0.02, slightly better, but very slow to turn and I still missed SCAR-H headshots!

Why does it happen? Is there any remedy? How do they players use 28 and 32-inch displays?

P.S. Right now using 1800 * 0.01 and 100% for ads, but it's hard to track moving targets, I want 125%, which is too fast then. Trying 1600 * 0.01 and 125% as well. Anyway, it's still not as comortable as in a small window.

P.P.S. Yeah just tried same sens in a smaller window, awesome, feels heavy and consistent! Switch to fullscreen, boom no aim. Maybe it's a problem with my mousepad and feet?

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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 11:33am

Brains are complicated and yummy things (3VerstsNorth 2016), so I am going to throw some guesses that could explain this:

  1. Smaller window (which still fits all the original content inside it) -> Less area for your sight to cover. You might not see as far or as accurately as with native resolution, but you can "fit" more of the image inside the accurate part of your vision (can't recall the term). This could help with moving aimpoint on top of the enemy.
  2. Lowering resolution could remove noisy aspects of the image (eg. small animations that don't matter), letting you focus more on things that matter.
  3. While game settings and DPI stays the same, you might be too used to the windowed mode. Same effective distance in game seems larger on native res than on window. eg. Your brain is used to move mouse X amount when enemy is ~1cm to the left on your screen, but now on native res it's more like ~2cm while the same swipe of X still takes you to correct position.
  4. Steady FPS in windowed? Personally my aiming experience starts to feel sluggish if my FPS dips below 70fps or so (144hz monitor). Playing on 720p instead of 1080p should be more than 2x FPS.
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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 11:48am

Now that I'm looking at my own post.. :D

The question should've also included: can I re-learn to play in 1080p? Should I decrease cm / 360 to succeed? Is 800 DPI enough, or do I need a different sensor resolution (remember, the G3030 is said to be able to track just fine at any resolution between 50 and 12000 in increments of 50 DPI)?

Also, can it be possible that my mousepad (a well worn A4Tech X7 hard pad) is not on par and induces jitter that gets filtered out at smaller resolutions?

Currently, I find myself overshooting and undershooting 50/50, which, well, indicates that the aim is off, from my own experience.

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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 12:26pm

can I re-learn to play in 1080p?

Good thing about brains is that they are very adaptive, so yes :). However the other things I mentioned might affect the performance, so I don't know if native res performance is better, less or equal to smaller res.

If your mousepad/mouse is causing jitter it should affect smaller res as well as native res equally, you just don't see that small movement so well in smaller res. Dunno what to say for the DPI settings et cetera.
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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 12:41pm

i use a g502, afaik, the g303 and g502 use the same sensor tecnology, and i can tell you that the "sweetspot" for this sensor on 1080p monitors is about 2000dpi at least in bf4, where a higher dpi with these mices means that you get more "ticks" for movement, like, if to chang aim from point A to point B it takes you 3 ticks/movements at 800 dpi, at 2000dpi it takes about 7-8, i personally tested this by hand so i can't give any true numbers, but it was repeatable, multiple times, and my recoil control became SO much better after switching to 2000 dpi from sub-1500.
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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 4:07pm

Thanks for the valuable input guys,
Right now I'm testing 2000 and 1800, not sure which one is better, both with 0.01 in-game.

Other than that, do you guys know why those people in teh vids have steady aim when firing? Like, let's take recoil control out of the equation, say we're hipfiring a sidearm. My hand tens to jerk sometimes, I had fixed it once in BF3 with super high sens and pure fingertipping, but that won't work with high-recoil weapons. I feel that in part it happens because I clutch the mouse when firing, i.e. pressing teh buttons and controlling aim and recoil. I'm self-taught wrt this, so maybe I'm doing it wrong compared to the ones who know how to control the mouse properly.

Grip is sorta like fingertip, well at least I use my fingers to aim, not the palm, as some people seem to do (no idea how you can control sub 1 mm movements with the palm over the mouse?). Any tips to get rid of the clutching habit if it's possible at all?

P.S. You can see my accuracy data in the profile, that's for the windowed mode, mostly.

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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 5:17pm

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I dont know extactly who you are talking about, but i think it is because they use a low sensestivity. Most People's hand jitter a tiny amount most of the time, and a high sensitivity amplifies it, while a low reduces its impact on aim. This is also i belive why pro gamers prefer lower'ish sensestivity.

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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 5:47pm

@s0_r4ndm

I dont know extactly who you are talking about, but i think it is because they use a low sensestivity. Most People's hand jitter a tiny amount most of the time, and a high sensitivity amplifies it, while a low reduces its impact on aim. This is also i belive why pro gamers prefer lower'ish sensestivity.

yep, the counter-effect to using a high dpi with a logitech pro mouse in bf4 is that in fact, because yes, you will get more ticks and thus more accuracy, but if your hends shiver/jitter/trembe/whateveritis, it actually may give some level of inaccuracy, at least at short-medium range.
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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 9:09pm

Hmm, I see, that's sort of sad. Time to get more calm and steady ^^

I wonder what DPI the "pro players" use with FUllHD, which seems to be the tournamanet resolution? I've got the impression that 400 to 800 is the way to go for them, but isn't that blocky / choppy on a FullHD screen? Say, 800 * 5 or 450 * 12, wil that skip @ 1920x1200?

Also, can I emulate BF3 feel? I had solid aim there. What do I need to set teh Soldier Aiming Coeff. and uniform aiming to? So far I've only figured out that FOV Scaling has to be Off to emualte BF3. But the ADS sens value isn't clear: if BF3 uses 50% ADS sens, should I set 0.5*125 or 0.5*100? 125 being the 1:1 ADS sens, and 100 the default, in BF4.

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Friday, July 22nd 2016, 11:11pm

i know a lot of pro players play at lower resolutions, and thus don't really need high dpi, as for the sensitivity itself, you can use this:

Mouse Sensitivity | Same Aim - Different Game

oh and naturally turn off mouse accelleration in game and outside, and put windows sens to 6.
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