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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 2:14pm

LMG for firing off side of chopper?

Here's a topic I could not find much discussion of: LMG setup specifically for providing fire on the side of a helicopter. I've been coordinating this particular tactic recently with some friends who are pilots, especially in Little Birds where they have no secondary gunner support like attack choppers and the miniguns on transports.

Obviously, a bipod is going to be mandatory (any LMG equipped with a bipodfires as if the bipod is deployed when sitting on the side of a chopper). Past the bipod I have really been running the gamut of machineguns and setups. From what I can tell it's best to stick to an RDS/Holo with magnifier at most, general area saturation is far more effective than trying to get off precision fire of any kind. I find that ROF and muzzle velocity are essential as trying to place rounds on target is difficult so not having to lead is a big help and being able to throw a wall of bullets up at something helps get the hits across.

While ground troops are nice targets, I found I'm most useful actually engaging repair monkeys and pilots of enemy choppers. I can pick pilots out from the ground with some consistency, so in the air where I've usually got a more straight-on shot and my gun is considered on the bipod I can rip apart enemies in an opposing helicopter with incredible efficiency. On Sunken Dragon I was able to shoot an enemy Little Bird pilot out twice in a row with a QBB-95. The other major concern for a side gunner is reload speed, being caught in 7-second reload with an M60 can really leave you vulnerable when the enemy bird comes back around.

While I liked the AWS for ROF and fast reload, the rather low velocity made it rather difficult to engage both air and ground targets. I'd almost rather have the RPK for the extra punch as getting enough shots on target proved problematic. I actually had great success with the QBB-95 against air targets but was almost useless against ground; conversely, the M249 could rip up ground targets but the spread/recoil made sustained fire against enemies helicopters often too inaccurate to be of much use. The Type 88 would be great but the reload leaves me exposed too long in mid-air fights. The M240B is also rather good if you can make the shots count, but again a somewhat lengthy reload can be problematic while currently battling enemy birds.

So, any other support guys out there have a setup they like specifically for riding shotgun in a chopper?
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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 3:11pm

While that sounds effective and all there's also one other, very effective setup for shooting out from helis: Semi-auto shotguns with frags.

Frag explosion helps aiming especially when heli is moving in jittery pattern, it also helps to damage people behind covers and whatnot. However I figure it's not as effective against people in enemy helis as LMG.

Little bird with good pilot + 2 engis with semi auto shotguns: Mini-gunship that wrecks pretty much everything. I had bit too much fun with that when I played with Haber, Sheepy and Tier with setup like that :>
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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 3:51pm

While that sounds effective and all there's also one other, very effective setup for shooting out from helis: Semi-auto shotguns with frags.

Frag explosion helps aiming especially when heli is moving in jittery pattern, it also helps to damage people behind covers and whatnot. However I figure it's not as effective against people in enemy helis as LMG.

Little bird with good pilot + 2 engis with semi auto shotguns: Mini-gunship that wrecks pretty much everything. I had bit too much fun with that when I played with Haber, Sheepy and Tier with setup like that :>

+1

tip: DBV-12, if you include the time it takes to reload, has the highest shots/minute out of all shotguns. Perfect for scout heli fragshotting gunshipping
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>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 6:47pm



Yes, Scout Heli with 2 Engis running DBV-12 Frag, Stinger, and Rep Tool is very fun.
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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 7:12pm



Yes, Scout Heli with 2 Engis running DBV-12 Frag, Stinger, and Rep Tool is very fun.

also the support which it's very important as you'll run out of frag rounds quite soon.

the frag rounds are extremely situational, but when you get the right situation for them, they wreck and are very fun to use.
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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 7:35pm

the frag rounds are extremely situational, but when you get the right situation for them, they wreck and are very fun to use.

Indeed, they are quite bad at face-to-face combat where you and your target are at same height. The higher above you are compared to your target the better your frag rounds are as you have way larger area where you can hit to do damage, and helis tend to be almost right above enemies. However normal bullets still do more damage when you can get hit well and when you have to hit enemy directly.

Also dunno if fixed by now, but I recall putting up an ammobox on heli (stuck to it) which resupplied the wingmen. Also support pilot could have the resupply squad perk.
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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 7:43pm

the frag rounds are extremely situational, but when you get the right situation for them, they wreck and are very fun to use.

Indeed, they are quite bad at face-to-face combat where you and your target are at same height. The higher above you are compared to your target the better your frag rounds are as you have way larger area where you can hit to do damage, and helis tend to be almost right above enemies. However normal bullets still do more damage when you can get hit well and when you have to hit enemy directly.

Also dunno if fixed by now, but I recall putting up an ammobox on heli (stuck to it) which resupplied the wingmen. Also support pilot could have the resupply squad perk.

Ideal situation:

Pilot: Support with resupply squad perk
2 side engis: DBV-12 fragrounds, any launcher (if any is still useable), repair tool, and auto-repair perk


Fair and balanced. Because 'muh teamwork'
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about

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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 9:04pm

Isnt Rocket Launcher on sides disabled now. Or does this only apply to dumb-fire and Lock-Ons still work? 2Lazy2test4myselfnow.
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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 9:24pm

I remember that only Lock-on launchers are disabled. Dumb-fire launchers are still allowed. So RPG and SMAW are allowed.

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Sunday, June 12th 2016, 9:25pm

Oh my bad about that one. Completely forgot.
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Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about