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Monday, May 30th 2016, 1:42am

ZBD-09/Loadout

Whats the best loadout for the ZBD-09 against armor in you opinions?

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Monday, May 30th 2016, 1:51am

Nothing makes the ZBD unique among LAVs, so you might just ask about LAVs in general.

The obvious answer is AP/TOW, as they are the best anti-armor primary and secondary, respectively. AP shells have the highest damage output against armor, and a very high velocity, and TOW missiles are pretty much obligatoryŚif you use Zunis, everyone's going to laugh at you.

HE/TOW is a more balanced loadout and is probably better for pubs.

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Monday, May 30th 2016, 8:13am

I personally use HE and TOW. I find that HE is the most versatile out of the primary gun choices, and the TOW is kinda the obvious choice to me. The rest is pretty standard, APS, Reactive armour, and zoom optics for driver and gunner.

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Monday, May 30th 2016, 8:55am

Nothing makes the ZBD unique among IFVs, so you might just ask about IFVs in general. :P

TOW missiles are pretty much obligatoryŚif you use Zunis, everyone's going to laugh at you.

I was going to ask why before I found your explanation, although I don't think the points you bring up make Zunis strictly inferior, and definitely not laughably so.
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Monday, May 30th 2016, 11:11am

If you want specifically anti-armour, than alphabet shells + TOW is by far the best option.

If you want a more well-rounded setup, then HE + TOW is a good option.

If you want an anti-infantry loadout, then HE + LMG or Canister + Zunis both work, depending on the ranges you're playing at.
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Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

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Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

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A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Monday, May 30th 2016, 11:28am

I agree with MarbleDuck & Zer0Cod3x, the APFSDS-T + TOW is arguably the best combo for the IFV, especially in the anti-armor role.
On top of that, the flatter trajectory allows for precision sniping of distant targets.

Zunis have a high damage potential because of the amount of rockets able to be fired before reloading, IF every one hits at 90 degrees on the side or rear of a tank. All in all, while the potential for higher damage exists, in practice it requires perfect hits and is impractical in almost all circumstances. If you're going against infantry only, Zunis are a more practical route.
As for the Coax LMG, I've never used it, so I can't say if it's effective against infantry.

Unlike most others, I differ in regards to using the APS. I like going Smokescreen, retreat and repair, then heading back out like an imbecile. Zoom or IRNV optics depending on the average range and type of target (Hard/Soft).

Although I admit that I don't have much time actually spent in an IFV compared to others as well. I just find that my loadout works for my playstyle.
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Monday, May 30th 2016, 4:25pm

okay now what about anti-air? or do i start a new thread

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Monday, May 30th 2016, 5:42pm

okay now what about anti-air? or do i start a new thread


30mm/Zuni is the best all-around utility loadout, and gives you some ability to deal with armor and infantry behind cover. 30mm/Active Radar for maximum cancer and base camping purposes. Zoom is probably going to be the preferred option for either, as you need the extra magnification to really see what you're shooting.

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"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

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Wednesday, June 1st 2016, 4:45pm

30mm/Active Radar for maximum cancer and base camping purposes
Lmao so true. Although i personally find the 20mm usually far more annoying, especially on more open maps.

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Tuesday, June 7th 2016, 1:23am

zoom optics for driver and gunner.


So that you have horrible situational awareness and die to mines you can't see or spot? No. Thermals. For at least one of you.

okay now what about anti-air? or do i start a new thread


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