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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 6:50pm

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I understand the Full Choke and where i would use it (exclusively Stationary ADS).
It seems very situational but it's purpose is completely clear - a shotgun for stationary ADS camping :)

The Modified Choke is more versatile but at the same time i am not sure do i want to use it.
It's benefit to tighter pellet spread is small (~12%) which can be decent but can also "backfire" when those focused pellets happen to completely miss the target (more common in all hip-fire and moving ADS).
However it's penalty to Moving ADS spread is noticeable (25%) which is further amplified by the tighter pellet spread, since the Moving ADS spread circle is even bigger so the tighter pellet spread circle can get even more off-center.
All that said i really don't see much consistent use for the Modified Choke - the benefit is small while the moving ADS penalty seems severe.

A bit off topic, Buckshot vs Flechette differences:

Buckshot does about 33% more damage than Flechette.
Flechette passes through light cover and ignore the benefits of "Armor" field upgrade (Armor reduces Buckshot damage by ~15%).

All the other stats seem completely identical, aside from some trivial pellet velocity?
Generally Buckshot seems to be superior, even against "Armor" targets due to it's bigger raw damage output?
I can't find any common and practical situation where i would use Flechette instead of Buckshot.

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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 6:57pm

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Flechette has tighter pellet spread.

And the velocity and penetration is quite useful, as you can damage multiple enemies, and your shots won't be stopped by everything.

If your aim is good, flechette will be better, as it extends your range.

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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 7:01pm

tl;dr use modified choke or nothing, right?
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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 7:48pm

I can't find any common and practical situation where i would use Flechette instead of Buckshot.

Situations where
1) People are behind cover
2) You can fire at 2 or 3 people at the same time

In almost any other situation, even despite flechette ignoring the armor perk, buckshot will have a higher damage output. Even despite the tighter pellet cone in most scenarios

(note: I'm not saying all scenarios. Someone might otherwise slap me in the face with a mathbomb and prove me wrong :|)
tl;dr use modified choke or nothing, right?

No. The better you can force yourself to fire your weapon the way the choke 'tells' you to, the more choke you want to use.

i.e. Can't adjust yourself at all? No choke. Are you really consequent with it? Full choke. Meh? Mod

^Note: This is just my personal interpretation. Others may think differently, and very well have the right to do so (as this is just a tl;dr). But either way, the "mod choke or nothing" statement goes right out of the window. This choice is incredibly dependent on situation and the person using it - Multiple answers, perspectives and opinions are very well possible.
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Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Sheepnub" (May 24th 2016, 6:04am)


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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 8:11pm

@Bogdanov89

Flechette has tighter pellet spread.
And the velocity and penetration is quite useful, as you can damage multiple enemies, and your shots won't be stopped by everything.
If your aim is good, flechette will be better, as it extends your range.


Interesting!
I never heard about flechette spread being tighter than buckshot.
I can't find any precise data about the pellet spread of various ammo/shotguns.

Is such data available somewhere?
If it is just a few numbers, can you please post it here?

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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 8:20pm

@Bogdanov89

Flechette has tighter pellet spread.
And the velocity and penetration is quite useful, as you can damage multiple enemies, and your shots won't be stopped by everything.
If your aim is good, flechette will be better, as it extends your range.


Interesting!
I never heard about flechette spread being tighter than buckshot.
I can't find any precise data about the pellet spread of various ammo/shotguns.

Is such data available somewhere?
If it is just a few numbers, can you please post it here?

buckshot has a 2.4 degree pellet spread, flechette 2.0

All information can be found in the data browser
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Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 8:27pm

@Bogdanov89

Flechette has tighter pellet spread.
And the velocity and penetration is quite useful, as you can damage multiple enemies, and your shots won't be stopped by everything.
If your aim is good, flechette will be better, as it extends your range.


Interesting!
I never heard about flechette spread being tighter than buckshot.
I can't find any precise data about the pellet spread of various ammo/shotguns.

Is such data available somewhere?
If it is just a few numbers, can you please post it here?

buckshot has a 2.4 degree pellet spread, flechette 2.0

All information can be found in the data browser


I intended to edit in the values quickly, but I couldn't find the file with muzzle velocity, spread etc. Can you point me in the right direction?

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When I play with it [Autoloading 8] I feel like I am batman taking out 1 after 1 baddie while they feel helpless and don't know who is talking out their mates.
Remove 3D spotting. It’s a mechanic that rewards bad eyesight.
Wanna help your team by sneaking through enemy territory to provide spawns? THIS IS NOT TEAMWORK FGT I HOPE YOU RUN OUT OF MOTION BALLS TOO EARLY TO BE SUCCESSFUL
Wanna be Javelin squad but only have two guys? BETTER NOT GET YOUR SOFLAM KILLED FGT THIS IS NOT TEAMWORK WITHOUT A SUPPORT DUDE DROPPING AMMO ON YOU EVERY 2 MINUTES
Please post your best M1916 clips Magazines *fixed*.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "potetr" (May 23rd 2016, 8:32pm)


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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 9:25pm

Quoted from "iota-09"
tl;dr use modified choke or nothing, right?

No. The better you can force yourself to fire your weapon the way the choke 'tells' you to, the more choke you want to use.

i.e. Can't adjust yourself at all? No choke. Are you really consequent with it? Full choke. Meh? Mod

^Note: This is just my personal interpretation. Others may think differently, and very well have the right to do so (as this is just a tl;dr). But either way, the "mod choke or nothing" statement goes right out of the window. This choice is incredibly dependent on situation and the person using it - Multiple answers, perspectives and opinions are very well possible.

i would be with you on that one if the full choke didn't have just higher penalties, butMORE and higher penalties than the mod choke.

sure it is better if you always stop and ads before shooting, but is .125 smaller pellet spread than the mod choke worth it when you also get 1.2x standing hip base spread
1.5x moving hip base spread aside from the .25 moving ads spread?
"I'm just a loot whore."


stuff mostly unrelated to BF4 that interests nobody



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on 13/05/2016
23rd M320FB user on pc(13/05/16)
rush mode score RANK:2794 TOP:2% OUT OF:215398
obliteration mode scoreRANK:994 TOP:1% OUT OF:159466
handgun medals RANK:2236 TOP:2% OUT OF:143874
longest headshot RANK:9512 TOP:4% OUT OF:257589
recon score RANK:10871 TOP:4% OUT OF:274899
general score per minute RANK:10016 TOP:4% OUT OF:294774

bf3
31/3/2012 4:58:

Headshot distance RANK:493* TOP:0%
Revives per assault minute RANK: 6019 TOP: 3%
Headshots / kill percentage RANK:25947 TOP:13%
MVP ribbons RANK:18824 TOP:11%

*= 6 if we not count the EOD BOT headshots

@kataklism

ARGUMENT DESTROYED 100

ENEMY KILLED [REASON] JSLICE20 100


WRITING SPREE STOPPED 500

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Monday, May 23rd 2016, 9:53pm

@Bogdanov89

Flechette has tighter pellet spread.
And the velocity and penetration is quite useful, as you can damage multiple enemies, and your shots won't be stopped by everything.
If your aim is good, flechette will be better, as it extends your range.


Interesting!
I never heard about flechette spread being tighter than buckshot.
I can't find any precise data about the pellet spread of various ammo/shotguns.

Is such data available somewhere?
If it is just a few numbers, can you please post it here?

buckshot has a 2.4 degree pellet spread, flechette 2.0

All information can be found in the data browser


I intended to edit in the values quickly, but I couldn't find the file with muzzle velocity, spread etc. Can you point me in the right direction?

Muzzle velocity can be found in the main weapon file.
Spread is found in the gunsway file

Pellet spread is linked in as a firing function in the main weapon file.
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Sunday, June 5th 2016, 8:21pm

Another important consideration for choke selection is the pellet count of the specific shotgun in question. I would run full choke and buckshot on a QBS-09 to help compensate for it only firing 12 pellets per shot; with minimal projectiles fired I want them to stay tightly grouped and hit hard for maximum damage potential per shot. An 870 has 19 pellets so a modified choke or no choke with buckshot can still be devastating with a single shot while still allowing some actual spread rather than the shot grouping acting almost like a single projectile; in other words, it still has that shotgun feel to its spread pattern but hits as hard as you'd expect a shotgun to.

Go for a Hawk on HC mode and you can get all kinds of creative. With 22 pellets per shot even darts with no choke can hit like a freight train, the sheer volume of pellets fired is overwhelming on HC mode even at range. Due to lower min damage I still personally prefer a full choke when using darts in this gun, keeps them grouped together for absurd OSK potential even against distant targets running perpendicular to me (where the extra velocity really comes in handy). On HC mode, I'm slowly finding the full choke with buckshot to be borderline overkill. At 20m it will plant all but maybe 1-3 pellets dead on some guy's torso, so I probably just dealt upwards of 150+ damage to a dude with only 60 health! With a modified the huge volume of pellets would still likely kill the guy twice over and with it spread out a bit it actually improves me chances of hitting him a bit. I've been tinkering with the Hawk for while now and I've found the huge pellet volume really gives it a flexibility of ammo/choke choice over other shotguns. I can't reach a definitive conclusion for how I personally like to run it because it just vaporizes pretty much anybody I shoot no matter what I got on it haha!
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