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Sunday, February 7th 2016, 4:20pm

Good stealth jet, attack jet and attack helicopter load outs?

Any good Loadout ideas for these vehicles?

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Sunday, February 7th 2016, 7:00pm

SJ - 20mm or 30mm, PRM or LGM, ECM, Autoloader depending on targets

AJ - 30mm, LGM or JDAM, Autoloader

AH - Smart Rockets, Heatseeker when jet presence is heavy and TOW otherwise, Flares, Stealth Coating, LGM, Zoom, Belt Feeder
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Monday, February 8th 2016, 12:00am

If you're just starting with the stealth jet you'll probably want to use 20mm or 25mm. The low velocity of the 30mm will make hitting air targets even more difficult. Also flares aren't a terrible choice of CM now with their faster reload, if you're not up against someone good enough that getting off the air radar becomes valuable.

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Monday, February 8th 2016, 1:05am

Please. Use TOWs even when jet presence is heavy.

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If he is actually smart, and does a top-down, flip your nose up to let your gunner TV it.

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Monday, February 8th 2016, 2:36am

Some of these options heavily depend on whether you'll be pubbing or flying with a friend.
I'm not trying to criticize the recommendations, merely provide complementary advice in case of the former:

Zoom Thermal

In my experience, almost every pilot who manages to stay in the air for more than a minute still plays too aggressively. They fly too fast for zoom to be of use, and you'll need Thermal to identify Stiglas before they're launched.

LGM

Is this your recommendation because of a range advantage vs TV that I've missed? Again, for pubs, you won't be able to take advantage of it - use TV instead. It delivers damage quicker, is unaffected by IR Smoke, and is more versatile.


Please. Use TOWs even when jet presence is heavy.

If he is actually smart, and does a top-down, flip your nose up to let your gunner TV it.

The few pub gunners who do have TV would think you're losing control and bail :P But use TOW anyway because it's so much more fun!
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Monday, February 8th 2016, 3:06am

None of my recommendations are for pubs. They are for coordinated crews that are in comms and know what they are doing.

In my experience, almost every pilot who manages to stay in the air for more than a minute still plays too aggressively. They fly too fast for zoom to be of use, and you'll need Thermal to identify Stiglas before they're launched.


Thermal is even worse for identifying Stiglas then.

IRNV shows infantry up to 80m away.

FLIR shows infantry up to 220m away.

You will be well within Stigla range before you are able to detect them on Thermals. Zoom is still better. With the addition of the anti-IR DICE LA camo, even more so. Until the alleged patch that will remove the anti-IR properties, thermals are the worst optic you can possibly choose.

Is this your recommendation because of a range advantage vs TV that I've missed? Again, for pubs, you won't be able to take advantage of it - use TV instead. It delivers damage quicker, is unaffected by IR Smoke, and is more versatile.


LGMs have the opportunity for laser designations and are easier to use. TV Missile is overrated.
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Monday, February 8th 2016, 4:00am

I would kind of disagree with Noctyrne about the TVGMs. While they're not the clear superior option that people make them out to be, they are better in some circumstances:

1) Against air. TVGMs can nuke helis and jets if they're flying in a linear pattern (or, even if they're not, if the pilot is really good)

2) Against MAA. TVGMs penetrate APS and can be fired without LoS. This makes it easy to get two TVs for ez 75 damage, and finish with a TOW.

However, LGMs do not blow up the vehicle it is fired from as TVGMs do.

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Monday, February 8th 2016, 8:56am

Is this your recommendation because of a range advantage vs TV that I've missed? Again, for pubs, you won't be able to take advantage of it - use TV instead. It delivers damage quicker, is unaffected by IR Smoke, and is more versatile.

IIRC TVs only have a range of 650 m (they actually have more, but the screen cuts out at ~650 m), whereas LGMs start locking on from 900 m away.

LGMs, when lased, can also do 450 damage to a tank and a heavy mobility hit, whereas TVs can only do 350 damage and a light mobility hit to tanks.

Even when not lased, the damage change isn't all that significant - 300 + light mobility hit. That's only 50 damage, less damage than 1 Zuni would do. Besides, the LGMs have half the reload time of TVs, so the DPS is significantly higher.

LGMs also don't blow up in your own heli like TVs do.
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Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

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Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Monday, February 8th 2016, 12:54pm

None of my recommendations are for pubs.

I should have mentioned that I got that. I tried to write my post for the typhical reader, who might not.


In my experience, almost every pilot who manages to stay in the air for more than a minute still plays too aggressively. They fly too fast for zoom to be of use, and you'll need Thermal to identify Stiglas before they're launched.


Thermal is even worse for identifying Stiglas then.

FLIR shows infantry up to 220m away.

You will be well within Stigla range before you are able to detect them on Thermals. Zoom is still better.

I meant that (for me at least) distant Stiglas cannot be engaged effectively when a pub pilot doesn't hold still, so it doesn't matter if you can identify them faster. Therefore you may as well improve your close range target acquisition.

LGMs have the opportunity for laser designations

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...and are easier to use.

Fair enough.

IIRC TVs only have a range of 650 m (they actually have more, but the screen cuts out at ~650 m), whereas LGMs start locking on from 900 m away. Thanks.

The LGMs have half the reload time of TVs, so the DPS is significantly higher.

I meant spike DPS. They have roughly the same damage, but one TV is faster to use than one LGM.
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