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Friday, March 15th 2013, 3:40am

Best setup for the PKP (CONSOLE)

First of all, if you're looking for a bipoded LMG then your best bet imo is the M240B, just because it kills faster than the M60 and PKP. If however you want to be on the move and be effective I think the best LMG is the PKP with FG/FS/Kobra sight. The purpose of this setup is reducing overall recoil (vertical and horizontal) as well as visual recoil to the expense of lower accuracy and worse hipfire spread.

With a setup like this you are obviously foregoing a bipod. But as I said before if you want a bipoded LMG the M240B does the job better, and if you do want to be on the move a bipod does not affect the weapon behavior in terms of accuracy and recoil since it is not deployed.
You are also foregoing extended mags. But the PKP in particular has a very fast reload time at 5.38, which allows you to reload more often. Compare that to 7.20 secs for the M60 and 6.20 for the M240B. Also compare it to the famas, which reloads at 3.9 secs and only carries 26 bullets. With a 3HK weapon in CQ and a relatively fast reload I'd say that 100 bullets is more than enough to get the job done.

Now why the specific attachments...


The FG reduces horizontal recoil by 25% and vertical recoil by 23%. Combined with the FS the total decrease in vertical recoil is almost 50%. So, the FG+FS combo reduces H_recoil by 25% and V_recoil by almost 50%. Combine that with a zero magnification sight like the Kobra and you have a weapon that is extremely easy to handle, it's literally idiot-proof. It's like having a 100 round G3A3 (less accurate of course) that can destroy people at CQ. The PKP is ranked in the top 5 weapons for TTK up to 10 metres, and having 100 rounds and not worrying about recoil makes it an absolute beast.

So what are the drawbacks?

I'd say that not having 200 rounds is not really a big deal , as I explained above. However the increase in hip fire spread is important. Especially since this is supposed to be a CQ run'n'gun kind of setup. You need to ADS a lot more than you normally would.

How about the increase in ADS spread ?

In terms of accuracy your ADS spread increases from 0.5 to 0.6. This has been discussed before and I will post the relevant links to it. However here are the most important points.

First of all the increase from 0.5 to 0.6 is 0.1 degrees but percentage-wise it is 20%. It's not the same as an increase of 0.1 on the G3A3 because that is 100% increase. If there was a weapon with 5.0 spread, would it make any difference if it increased to 5.1 ? You need to keep things into perspective. Also keep in mind that when firing in full auto, for every every shot fired, ADS spread increases by 0.1. That means that a PKP without a FG after having fired 10 shots will have an ADS spread of 1.5, whereas a PKP with FG and ADS spread of 1.6. Not the end of the world imo. Given that most people tend to hold down the trigger when firing an LMG, that slight accuracy drop is almost negligible.

DISCLAIMER: This applies to the PS3 and XBOX360 platforms. I understand that in the world of PC controlling recoil is not a big deal, hence my arguments are easily countered. If any PC players have tried this or do try this eventually I would be interested to hear their comments.

here are the threads where this topic has been discussed before
Fore grip reduces Vrecoil on LMGs?

Is ADS spread overvalued?


This is a video including everything I've said above over some PKP footage with the specific setup.

BF3 beast setups - PKP Foregrip/Flash suppressor/Kobra sight - YouTube
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Friday, March 15th 2013, 5:08pm

Two things...
1) I'd say the m60 is even better for run 'n gunning, its like..twice as accurate :|
2) thank you for at least mentioning this as a console-only setup. I love you for this. Here take my dutch cookies :3 *hands em over*

But those things put aside, i have to say this is a decent writeup. A bit too complex for the new people though i think :/

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 5:11pm

Two things...
1) I'd say the m60 is even better for run 'n gunning, its like..twice as accurate :|
2) thank you for at least mentioning this as a console-only setup. I love you for this. Here take my dutch cookies :3 *hands em over*

But those things put aside, i have to say this is a decent writeup. A bit too complex for the new people though i think :/
You do realise that the DISCLAIMER at the bottom as well as the title was written with YOU in mind lol. As for the M60, I think that the 7.2 reload time screams for extended mags. I will run M60/FG/Extended mags/kobra but it feels like the PKP does the job better.
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Friday, March 15th 2013, 5:14pm

Two things...
1) I'd say the m60 is even better for run 'n gunning, its like..twice as accurate :|
2) thank you for at least mentioning this as a console-only setup. I love you for this. Here take my dutch cookies :3 *hands em over*

But those things put aside, i have to say this is a decent writeup. A bit too complex for the new people though i think :/
You do realise that the DISCLAIMER at the bottom as well as the title was written with YOU in mind lol. As for the M60, I think that the 7.2 reload time screams for extended mags. I will run M60/FG/Extended mags/kobra but it feels like the PKP does the job better.

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Well, the reload of the m60 is a bitch for sure. But just as a tip, try out the m60 with the same setup as your PKP. the difference in recoil is MASSIVE (0.4 both sides to 0.2 both sides -> 50% less recoil!), while only spewing out 20 fewer rounds per minute.
Not to force my opinion on you or anything, just a tip :>

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 5:16pm

I've never run FGRIP on my belt-fed lmgs, but FSUPP is awesome on them.

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 5:45pm

Personally I find fg/silencer is brutal on all platforms. Recoil reduction is still plenty (about 40% hrecoil iirc) and being the PKP it has a lightning reload. Yes your ttk is hurt due to drop off but because you need those few extra rounds to hit someone, staying off the mini map is a life saver against a semi decent opponent.

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 6:22pm

@Sao, yes I use that setup as well. Usually I switch to the silencer if I realise that the enemy team is a bit more alert than your normal randoms and ruins my flanks. I agree the Suppressor is also a very good choice
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Tuesday, March 19th 2013, 4:59pm

Having just finished that second PKP assignment (ugh)...I'll agree with the OP almost completely...

Although I tend to like the US or Russian HOLO over the Kobra sight, and if I'm playing DOM or some other tight map, I'll use the laser for hipfire goodness...

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Tuesday, March 19th 2013, 5:41pm

Two things...
1) I'd say the m60 is even better for run 'n gunning, its like..twice as accurate :|
2) thank you for at least mentioning this as a console-only setup. I love you for this. Here take my dutch cookies :3 *hands em over*

But those things put aside, i have to say this is a decent writeup. A bit too complex for the new people though i think :/
You do realise that the DISCLAIMER at the bottom as well as the title was written with YOU in mind lol. As for the M60, I think that the 7.2 reload time screams for extended mags. I will run M60/FG/Extended mags/kobra but it feels like the PKP does the job better.

...nyehehehehehe =w=

cheap ish well-known, muahaha \o/

Well, the reload of the m60 is a bitch for sure. But just as a tip, try out the m60 with the same setup as your PKP. the difference in recoil is MASSIVE (0.4 both sides to 0.2 both sides -> 50% less recoil!), while only spewing out 20 fewer rounds per minute.
Not to force my opinion on you or anything, just a tip :>
I totally agree with ya Cheapnub and in addition to what you said the feel of the gun is also very important. I bet i'm not the only one that thinks the m60 feels fricken amazing and oh my goodness [img]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSq_xmkAuyiqudl46mTFJbhmplroz2pPjFjfzYU3sskzau0OOa[/img] #mce_temp_url#