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Sunday, June 3rd 2012, 10:25pm

Differentiating Bolt-Actions

So, we all kind of agree that the bolt-actions don't have enough flavor between them. Let's start a thread to discuss how to make them more unique and different. This will, of course, get send to Demize along with other stuff before he gets the next patch (post-CQB patch) ready.

My suggestions:
M40A5
BoltActionTime 1.10->1.05
Bullet Velocity 480->460
Its role is to fire off multiple rounds back-to-back. It excels in this. This will reward players who can consistently guess drop correctly. Slightly enhanced drop is to highlight the skill necessary to wield the weapon. Rewarding with experience.

SV98
DO end distance 80->90
Min damage 50->45
This has the only purpose of preventing it from being an OHK to the upper chest in HC. It still (supposedly) gets the 2.4x Marksman Headshot multiplier so it will OHK on a headshot in any mode. This is a balance suggestion meant ONLY for HC, not for normal, as it should have no major impact in normal. The range increase is meant for flavor, mostly, as it has noticeably lower end distance than the other bolt-actions. I agree that it should be lower, but not too much lower.

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Bullet velocity 540->610
BoltActionTime 1.38->1.30
Serious buffs to velocity and RoF. These will changes will make it closer to comparable to the M98B as it is now but, combined with some changes to the M98B, should give it a new role all to itself. I would say 600 for the velocity but that matches too many other weapons.

M98B
Max damage 95->100
Min damage 59->60
Upper chest multiplier 1.06->1.25
DO start distance 15->5 (10?)
DO end distance 150->30 (25?)
BoltActionTime 1.30->1.35
Suppression 35%->45%
This is the biggie. The changes to range and damage don't offset the OHK to the upper chest much (17.4->17.5). At the same time, being able to hit for 100 damage allows people to kill with shots to the arms which makes it a viable weapon for "quickscoping." I feel that slow bolt time and low magazine size will make it a "high risk, high reward" weapon to play it CoD-style. In my mind, a "boom" either means a fast round or a big one. I think that the big round will be more popular with players and the enhanced suppression just helps with that goal.

Roles established by my changes:
M40: Rapid follow-up shots, works well at range in a 1vsMany situation in which the shooter can take down targets quickly with a careful application of skill.
SV98: It works well for this dreaded thing we call quickscoping due to its high mag and longer OHK range.
L96: High bullet velocity and large magazine size. The L96 functions at long range as a high-capacity weapon that can deliver sustained fire with little drop.
M98B: Some people want a 100 damage sniper rifle. This is balanced if it has a short OHK range as it only adds the ability to kill with hits to the arms. It should be used as either a high-damage weapon for kills to the arms (CQB in normal or long-range in HC) or in its current role as a high-velocity long-range sniper.
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Sunday, June 3rd 2012, 11:04pm

This is turning into WWI, people running around with bolt action rifles.

Are you trying to address bolt actions in normal mode or hardcore?
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Sunday, June 3rd 2012, 11:07pm

These sound good to me Nick, I like that the M40 becomes more 'extreme'. I would suggest we drop the M98B bullet speed nerf - what with the L96 becomming faster we need to keep the M98B on top of it's long range game.
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Sunday, June 3rd 2012, 11:07pm

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You're right. :) Fix'd. Upped L96 to 610 though so it doesn't lose out on the high velocity.

Are you trying to address bolt actions in normal mode or hardcore?

Mainly normal, but HC is on the list of thoughts. Note the M98B's new low damage of 60.
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Monday, June 4th 2012, 4:17am

Where's the anti-material rifles?

Kidding aside, on a per shot basis, the snipers in the game actually give a sense of progressive reward.
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Monday, June 4th 2012, 4:31am

I am quite happy with the feel of the bolt rifles. They're unique in drop and bullet speed. Now the semi-autos are disappointing, with that copy and paste concept.
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Monday, June 4th 2012, 5:01am

M98B: Some people want a 100 damage sniper rifle. This is balanced if it has a short OHK range as it only adds the ability to kill with hits to the arms. It should be used as either a high-damage weapon for kills to the arms (CQB in normal or long-range in HC) or in its current role as a high-velocity long-range sniper.
All this sniper-shotgun stuff is lunacy to me. Shotguns hit like bb guns, but bolt actions do better in CQCB and can snipe. So, can't support this at all.

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Monday, June 4th 2012, 5:16am

M98B: Some people want a 100 damage sniper rifle. This is balanced if it has a short OHK range as it only adds the ability to kill with hits to the arms. It should be used as either a high-damage weapon for kills to the arms (CQB in normal or long-range in HC) or in its current role as a high-velocity long-range sniper.
All this sniper-shotgun stuff is lunacy to me. Shotguns hit like bb guns, but bolt actions do better in CQCB and can snipe. So, can't support this at all.

Same feelings man...and right now with the crazy supression it made more sense using snipers as shotguns than actually sniping. The current OHKO range is quite big already. I'd invert the M40 and SV98 with range-damage values as the SV98 actually uses a more powerful cartrige. The 98B could get another small increase in bullet velocity and the L96 stays more or less as it is. Also the 98B should be able to disable unarmored jeeps if you shoot the engine block

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Monday, June 4th 2012, 2:19pm

M98B: Some people want a 100 damage sniper rifle. This is balanced if it has a short OHK range as it only adds the ability to kill with hits to the arms. It should be used as either a high-damage weapon for kills to the arms (CQB in normal or long-range in HC) or in its current role as a high-velocity long-range sniper.
All this sniper-shotgun stuff is lunacy to me. Shotguns hit like bb guns, but bolt actions do better in CQCB and can snipe. So, can't support this at all.

Same feelings man...and right now with the crazy supression it made more sense using snipers as shotguns than actually sniping. The current OHKO range is quite big already. I'd invert the M40 and SV98 with range-damage values as the SV98 actually uses a more powerful cartrige. The 98B could get another small increase in bullet velocity and the L96 stays more or less as it is. Also the 98B should be able to disable unarmored jeeps if you shoot the engine block

Overall, I agree, that's why the range is almost nil for the OHK.
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Monday, June 4th 2012, 5:15pm

Sounds like the SV98 is going to be one of the best bolt-actions in close quarters cause with a chest shot it kills at a firther distance than most others.