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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 5:33pm

hmm but there isnt much that the mp7 makes worse than the m5k: the mp7 is more precise and m5k has just a very little advantage in dmg and therefore ttk, but mp7 has the higher rof.
so its just the better ttk on k5k, so why is mp7 a noob weapon, its use is similiar to the m5k. and i never shoot from the hip, so .. might be an option though

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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 5:45pm

The damage difference is not small man, its huge

900 vs 950 rpm =5.5% more power
20 vs 25 dmg = 25% more power

20% is huge man. Look at if the m16 would fire 20% faster: 960 rpm, almost 1.000. That is freaking huge

Wait, 20%? I meant 25. Helloooo full 1.000 rpm

The reason i call the mp7 a noobweapon is because it doesnt have a use anymore
Pre-m5k, you had the p90 vs mp7: they were both easymode guns (dont ads, just aim in the general direction and ur set), while the mp7 was a little more powerful
Since the m5k came in, it got wiped. The p90 is still the 50-round easymode noobcannon (terrible killing-speed, but not a single inch of skill required), but the m5k is the smooth-as-hell killing machine. Devastating power, while being easy to use
The mp7's role got taken over, thats it

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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 6:26pm

hmm ok i m convinced :D
so m5k espicially and unsupped use
and if i want to be sneaky or go for longer ranges asval

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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 6:30pm

Meh, the P90 takes some skill to use. The difference is that you have to use it as a surgical weapon (kill a guy with as few rounds as possible) but be careful about your capacity in engaging multiple opponents. It isn't too hard to use from a gunplay perspective (and it's rather forgiving), but the skill comes from positioning and prioritizing targets correctly.

It's like the QBZ--not too hard to use in a 1v1, but you have to be very careful with regards to positioning--the QBZ will lose almost every engagement between 10 and 20m, so you have to avoid that. The P90's dead zone is probably 25m+.
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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 6:36pm

thats interesting what you said. yet, i never used the p90 nowwhere else then on noshar canals 64 slot servers, so i cant really say whether y are right are not because you get killed that or that way in a few mins. so i have no tactic there, just shooting at the enemy and hope it kills him.

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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 6:41pm

The P90 is incredible in Rush as a high-capacity suppressed weapon. It's perfect for pushing MComs because you can drop a guy and not have to reload afterwards. It allows you to clear out defenders without exposing your position. Works well on Recon for flanking happiness and Support for C4. It performs better up close than LMGs and in Rush, close-quarters performance is the most important factor for aggressive players, so it's an excellent weapon for the mode. In my opinion, it's the best Rush PDW whereas the VAL is the best Conquest PDW and the M5K is the best TDM PDW.
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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 6:50pm

well...it depends on how you see it

okay, uhm....how am i going to say this without offending nick (as the p90 is one of his main weapons D: )

The p90 is outclassed by raw power by just about any weapon out there (in comparison, it kills just SLIGHTLY faster than the ak-74m)
It's range is not that long either, as nick pointed out

As nick pointed out, keeping your position in mind is very important, right because its outclassed at power by so many other weapons. If you haven't got the drop on someone, and he has a conventional Assault rifle, then...well...you're fucked

With the p90, you don't need to ADS. You can spam all you want, i mean..hey, 50 bullets. Multiple people? The larger magazine allows you to take 2-3 more people with you than when you'd be using an AR. Do you miss one round? No problem, you've got 49 left
You can be really aggressive, with your 'mistakes' having very little effect.

Compare this to an AR: the aek kills faster, is more accurate, it...well, i can name everything here except ammo really. But the hipfire is worse, if you don't ADS 100% right with the aek (= a mistake), then you fail, where as with the p90 you can just keep blasting with really good hipfire. you don't need to ADS
Compare to the m5k: The m5k kills faster than the p90, a LOT faster..but it has less ammo. Do you miss 10 rounds (= a mistake), then LOL hope your enemy's reallyreally bad

I personally would call these ease-of-use aspects, but I suppose for some they could be seen as easier access to aggressive play

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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 6:53pm

That's why capacity is huge with it. The M16 reloads fast? The P90 doesn't reload at all. That's the aspect of the weapon that makes it powerful for flanking, the fact that your pressure is completely continuous. That was what I meant to say. Yes, it's outclassed by other weapons, but you should never be in a fair 1v1 with it.

It's forgiving, I'll grant you that, but at the same time, if it takes you a whole mag to kill someone (2.5 seconds) then how you're not dead is a complete mystery. The skill floor to use the P90 is rather low, but the skill ceiling is deceptively high.
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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 9:51pm

So I have some questions about low power scope sizes. Why are they different sizes depending on the weapon?
eg. Kobra on AEK: The reticle is very small giving better precision.
Kobra on AN-94: Much larger reticle size making precision shots more difficult.

This also applies the the holo. Holo sight on the Scar-L is TERRIBLE. The reticle is like half the size of the scope, but on the Val, the reticle is just a tiny little circle, which is great for long range targets.

WHY?!?!

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Tuesday, January 15th 2013, 10:41pm

I think it's because of how far from the butt end of the stock the scope actually sits. Not sure though.
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23:58 Failure117: CAUSE IM FREEE
23:58 Nick: AS A BIIIIRD NOW
23:58 Failure117: FREEE OF NICK'S WORM RAPE

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ViperFTW: WITH
ViperFTW: THIS
ViperFTW: AS
ViperFTW: MY
ViperFTW: FUUUUCKING SOUNDTRACK :DDDD
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