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Wednesday, September 18th 2013, 1:24pm

Isn't tracking accuracy also somewhat relevant?

For mice I presume? I doubt that the hardware/sensor-related difference in G9x vs. EC1 is large enough to show in gameplay (at least at my level). With G9x I never observed non-smoothness (although, of course, that might not be prevalent enough to be perceptible and yet influence performance => shows up in statistics). One of the main reasons for the superiority of EC1 IMHO is simply that it is so lightweight and well gliding that fast movements can be made accurately and without overshooting.
No, I meant for scopes. It would be interesting to see if there was any noticeable difference in your accuracy when using scopes with different magnification.

Hmm, yes, tracking accuracy would definitely be relevant. But how to measure/quantify it? Or you mean accuracy as the game stat? I would consider it but there seems to be no access to my accuracy history! Bf3stats history doesn't show it. Battlelog shows only max 16 latest games and so does BF3 Battle Reports (that doesn't seem to work anymore anyway). Of course I can manually log the game-by-game accuracies from battlelog for the upcoming RDS data, but then I would need to do the 3.4x condition again because all but the last 7 of the the old 3.4x games are lost already.
I meant the game stat, but if it becomes too much of a hassle I think that "only" tracking KDR, KPM and DPM will still yield results of sufficient statistical value.

Things people said

And reading Youtube comments still gives me Turbo Cancer.

It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Sunday, September 22nd 2013, 10:05am

HOLO BEST LO

Re-do these experiments with the best lo, and behold the raising line
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Sunday, September 22nd 2013, 10:49am

HOLO BEST LO

Re-do these experiments with the best lo, and behold the raising line

Considering how sore my ass is after the first games w/RDS, I might indeed do the Holo too.
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Sunday, September 22nd 2013, 11:22am

Considering how sore my ass is after the first games w/RDS, I might indeed do the best LO too.

Fix'd
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, September 24th 2013, 12:00pm

Hi all,

The results are now edited into the first post (see subheadings in red).

Comments?

What is your suggestion for my very last week of BF3 and TDM:

1. Keep on practicing with RDS
2. Test Sheep-Holo / bestest LO
3. Re-test 3.4x

?
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Tuesday, September 24th 2013, 1:36pm

Interesting finds. I would recommend #1, I think that 1 week is a short time to learn a new scope, especially since you have a long history of using the 3.4. At the end of the RDS week your KDR seemed to be about where your KDR was when you started testing the 3.4, given more time I think the RDS would close the gap.

Or you could test the Holo and see how it fares compared to the RDS. The holo will probably be sub-par to the 3.4 given your extensive experience with the 3.4, but it is possible that the Holo would beat out the RDS.

Things people said

And reading Youtube comments still gives me Turbo Cancer.

It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Tuesday, September 24th 2013, 4:21pm

You might underestimate the accuracy of the AN-94 without HBAR. A cobra RDS and laser can be really good on CQC maps as target acquisition is easier through hipfire.

To the trained eye a zoom is unneeded. Best to use an RDS for for faster ADS at medium range. Any additional accuracy you get by using a higher powered sight is simply a placebo ( which could be good enough psychologically ).

EDIT: Remember it is easier to get tunnel vision by staring down a longer tube.

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Tuesday, September 24th 2013, 8:24pm

Interesting finds. I would recommend #1, I think that 1 week is a short time to learn a new scope, especially since you have a long history of using the 3.4. At the end of the RDS week your KDR seemed to be about where your KDR was when you started testing the 3.4, given more time I think the RDS would close the gap.

Or you could test the Holo and see how it fares compared to the RDS. The holo will probably be sub-par to the 3.4 given your extensive experience with the 3.4, but it is possible that the Holo would beat out the RDS.


Indeed. It took 1500 min to really get going with 3.4x (but with two mice). I'm now exactly halfway that time with RDS and the frequency of "good games" (KDR > 4) is definitely increasing. Holo, on the other hand, could be a good compromise and could also give an estimate of the rate of the learning/adapting effect.

You might underestimate the accuracy of the AN-94 without HBAR. A cobra RDS and laser can be really good on CQC maps as target acquisition is easier through hipfire.


I am very very rarely killed by someone using laser. To me, the red blink is a great "aim here" cue and I often get the kill even if he has the drop on me. So for anything else than CQC, laser feels like no-no.

To the trained eye a zoom is unneeded. Best to use an RDS for for faster ADS at medium range. Any additional accuracy you get by using a higher powered sight is simply a placebo ( which could be good enough psychologically ).

EDIT: Remember it is easier to get tunnel vision by staring down a longer tube.


Both the placebo and tunnel-vision comments I agree with. For long-range kills, RDS was less efficient than 3.4x but becoming faster in aim acquisition could just require a bit more of practice.
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Tuesday, September 24th 2013, 8:36pm

Both the placebo and tunnel-vision comments I agree with.

The reason for the "placebo" is because the 3.4x actually has a higher ingame pixel-displacement per cm moved irl ratio (we really need to make a word for that). For RDS, that ratio is about 80. For 3.4x, its about 60...meaning less accurate user-input wise, even though it has extra zoom

as opposing to the holo, which has a ratio of about 100 :>

Spoiler Spoiler

ERMAHGERD STATZ
1x (rds): fov 40, speed 0.5: 80 ratio
1x (irons): fov 40, speed 0.5: 80 ratio
holo: fov 32, 0.32 speed: 100 ratio
3.4x: fov 20, 0.36 speed: 55.5556 ratio
4x: 17.2000001, 0.31 speed: 55.4838 ratio
6x: fov 11.6, 0.21 speed: 55.2380 ratio
7x: fov 9.9, 0.21 speed: 47.14 ratio
8x: fov 8.7, 0.16 speed: 54.37 ratio
12x: fov 5.8, 0.11 speed: 52.7272 ratio


HOLO BEST LO

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"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Sheepnub" (Sep 24th 2013, 8:45pm)


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Tuesday, September 24th 2013, 8:46pm

has a higher ingame pixel-displacement per cm moved irl ratio (we really need to make a word for that).
Cheapnub's Ratio?