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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 6:35pm

Missing shotguns on TTK/BTK charts?

are shotguns missing on TTK/BTK charts? Where can I find TTK/BTK data for shotguns?

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:19pm

are shotguns missing on TTK/BTK charts? Where can I find TTK/BTK data for shotguns?

They have not made a chart for shotguns so here is the list of threads that have all the information you may need.
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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:21pm

I guess the problem with shotguns TTK/BTK is that it requires perfect accuracy wich would consider all pellets on target from zero to max range (still can be done with Slugs/Frags)

Also, some months ago the Shotgun data was removed from the weapon's charts page so here's the link: Shotgun charts

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:25pm

I guess the problem with shotguns TTK/BTK is that it requires perfect accuracy wich would consider all pellets on target from zero to max range (still can be done with Slugs/Frags)
Why then not list it as min. xx ms (100% hits)?

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:31pm

Here: Shotgun charts

I'm not a 100% sure its up to date but there's the shotgun data.

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:31pm

Why then not list it as min. xx ms (100% hits)?

It would stray so far away from the "real" numbers that it would have no statistical value :c(

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:49pm

It would stray so far away from the "real" numbers that it would have no statistical value :c(
I think the TTK for spread weapon shoudln't be a simple line but more like area between lowest and highest TTK possible. Of course if someone has aim bad enough to hit enemy consequently with only one pellet.
And then ttk for ammo types...

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 8:56pm

I think the TTK for spread weapon shoudln't be a simple line but more like area between lowest and highest TTK possible. Of course if someone has aim bad enough to hit enemy consequently with only one pellet.
And then ttk for ammo types...

This interval would be incorrect and at the same time yield no statistical value when taking a full 12-pellets hit at longer ranges and intervals as big as it's domain, respectively

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 9:03pm

It would be possible to calculate the average amount of pellets hitting a target on any given range. From there it should be possible to calculate average TTK. If I am not mistaken someone on this forum posted calculations related to that, but I cannot remember who or where.

Edit: I figured I should be a bit more helpful and post links to relevant threads if anyone wants to do some calculations:
Spread and pellet cones for shotguns
Thread about how spread works, Assumption #1 has been proven to be the correct one
Useful thread about the probability of hitting a rectangular target of a given size at a given range

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Wednesday, September 4th 2013, 10:13pm

Here: Shotgun charts

I'm not a 100% sure its up to date but there's the shotgun data.

It is
It would be possible to calculate the average amount of pellets hitting a target on any given range. From there it should be possible to calculate average TTK. If I am not mistaken someone on this forum posted calculations related to that, but I cannot remember who or where.

Edit: I figured I should be a bit more helpful and post links to relevant threads if anyone wants to do some calculations:
Spread and pellet cones for shotguns
Thread about how spread works, Assumption #1 has been proven to be the correct one
Useful thread about the probability of hitting a rectangular target of a given size at a given range

Pretty sure it was me that did that.... Somewhere.... -.-'

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