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Saturday, January 12th 2013, 6:33pm

I'm going to do some recoil charts too. I'll do single-fire and two burst lengths. Which burst lengths do you guys want?
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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 3:24am

Yeah, my equation was way off (I figured that out right after I turned off my PC and right before going to bed). I was incorrectly using variable n for how many shots I intended on firing (30 rounds or a "magazine dump"), not how many rounds are fired with each trigger pull. I was tired, I guess.

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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 6:50am

the results of this thread in action:
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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 9:19am

Which burst lengths do you guys want?

i'd vote for 3 and 5-round bursts, as they're overall the most effective ones in the game with conventional weapons

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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 7:04pm

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Alright, that works. I'll work on it bit by bit when I get some time since it's a lot of work--nine function calls per weapon rather than one or two.
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Wednesday, March 6th 2013, 3:46pm

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Alright, that works. I'll work on it bit by bit when I get some time since it's a lot of work--nine function calls per weapon rather than one or two.

I read your review and good work. But I not very smart so I need to ask some questions. Are the high numbers for Recoil recovery good or bad. Also does this mean that High ROF weapons have the shortest recovery because It is the time it takes to fire the second round. Also If a weapon is put into burst fire mode does it receive any recoil benefit for so.
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I read your review and good work. But I not very smart so I need to ask some questions. Are the high numbers for Recoil recovery good or bad. Also does this mean that High ROF weapons have the shortest recovery because It is the time it takes to fire the second round. Also If a weapon is put into burst fire mode does it receive any recoil benefit for so.

Recoil recovery: How many degrees, per second, does your recoil decrease, after you stop shooting? -> Higher number = better
This is not beneficial for the higher rof weapons, or low rof weapons. This simply means how much time you have to put inbetween bursts.

weapons do not gain any recoil benefit from burstfire-mode (the exceptions are the m16a4 and m4, but those recoil values are base weapon stats)

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Wednesday, March 6th 2013, 4:08pm

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Alright, that works. I'll work on it bit by bit when I get some time since it's a lot of work--nine function calls per weapon rather than one or two.

I read your review and good work. But I not very smart so I need to ask some questions. Are the high numbers for Recoil recovery good or bad. High numbers are your new effective rate of fire. Firing faster is always a good thing. This is for spread rather than recoil, though.
Also does this mean that High ROF weapons have the shortest recovery because It is the time it takes to fire the second round. Not exactly. Fast-firing weapons get the strongest cuts, actually. This is because the time it takes to recover spread is a lot longer than the time between shots.
Also If a weapon is put into burst fire mode does it receive any recoil benefit for so. For the most part, no. The only weapon for which bursting reduces overall recoil is the AS-Val. This is because burst fire means that you experience your initial recoil multiplier every few shots rather than just once. EDIT: For clarification, the Val has an initial recoil that's less than a normal shot.

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Wednesday, July 23rd 2014, 6:58am

Sorry for necro.

It is easier to look at this as adding 0.1/15.0 seconds (=0.00666) to the time between shots.

For 800 RPM you have 0.075 sec between shots minimum, which becomes 0.08166 for full spread recovery, or 735 RPM.

I was surprised that you need so little time to recover from spread. The correct way to shoot in bf3 is ~3 rounds at a time, with a focus on only lifting the finger for the minimum amount of time before the next burst. The smallest amount of time between mouseup and mousedown that I can manage is about 0.06 seconds, which recovers 10 shots worth of spread.

This explains why ROF limiting macros give an advantage, because the best possible human spread recovery uses ~3x as much time as needed.

If you have mastered vertical recoil compensation but don't know why you can't kill things with later parts of your burst, try lifting every 3-4 shots (I avoid saying burst because it implies a significant delay between groups, when in fact anybody can be a minimal spread bullet hose at about 600 RPM).

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Wednesday, July 23rd 2014, 6:12pm

Yeah, that's exactly the case, to be honest I hadn't thought about the effects of adding macros though.
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