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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 6:51pm

Sorry guys but M16a3 is better WITHOUT grip. I can burst it longer and I kill more people and I have a better chance shooting people off headglitches.

I think Foregrip modifys bullet deviation and the accuracy penalty increases more drastically the longer you go full auto. My reasons that is.

Read the thread before you post.

Play the game before you post

Implying one of the top contributors of the site hasn't played the game. OK buddy.

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 6:53pm

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 6:56pm

Sorry guys but M16a3 is better WITHOUT grip. I can burst it longer and I kill more people and I have a better chance shooting people off headglitches.

I think Foregrip modifys bullet deviation and the accuracy penalty increases more drastically the longer you go full auto. My reasons that is.

the point of this thread was too prove that some guns are better with FG+HB.

longer bursts are more accurate with the FG. FACT
it is not up to debate.
killing headglitchers, you are right, just HB is better.

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 6:59pm

Sorry guys but M16a3 is better WITHOUT grip. I can burst it longer and I kill more people and I have a better chance shooting people off headglitches.

I think Foregrip modifys bullet deviation and the accuracy penalty increases more drastically the longer you go full auto. My reasons that is.

the point of this thread was too prove that some guns are better with FG+HB.

longer bursts are more accurate with the FG. FACT
it is not up to debate.
killing headglitchers, you are right, just HB is better.

Well, how about a video showing the better spread with FG+Hbar then? FG is meant to lower accuracy. Its plain and simple in the Dice description of the attachment. Yes the probability of hitting the target is higher with FG because of the less Horizontal recoil but to someone who can master the recoil regardless it would be more beneficial to them to run without it.

Of course you will have a higher chance of hitting your target with FG+Hbar without countering recoil, thats what these charts and statistics are based on. But for someone who can counter it perfectly. Hbar alone would be better.

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 7:02pm

Sorry guys but M16a3 is better WITHOUT grip. I can burst it longer and I kill more people and I have a better chance shooting people off headglitches.

I think Foregrip modifys bullet deviation and the accuracy penalty increases more drastically the longer you go full auto. My reasons that is.

the point of this thread was too prove that some guns are better with FG+HB.

longer bursts are more accurate with the FG. FACT
it is not up to debate.
killing headglitchers, you are right, just HB is better.

Well, how about a video showing the better spread with FG+Hbar then? FG is meant to lower accuracy. Its plain and simple in the Dice description of the attachment. Yes the probability of hitting the target is higher with FG because of the less Horizontal recoil but to someone who can master the recoil regardless it would be more beneficial to them to run without it.

Of course you will have a higher chance of hitting your target with FG+Hbar without countering recoil, thats what these charts and statistics are based on. But for someone who can counter it perfectly. Hbar alone would be better.

You can't master H.recoil.

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 7:03pm

When its a pull to the right. Yes I can. Maybe not yourself but I most certainly can on the M16a3.

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 7:05pm

But it's random. One does not simply know what a random value will do.
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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 7:06pm

Sorry guys but M16a3 is better WITHOUT grip. I can burst it longer and I kill more people and I have a better chance shooting people off headglitches.

I think Foregrip modifys bullet deviation and the accuracy penalty increases more drastically the longer you go full auto. My reasons that is.

the point of this thread was too prove that some guns are better with FG+HB.

longer bursts are more accurate with the FG. FACT
it is not up to debate.
killing headglitchers, you are right, just HB is better.

Well, how about a video showing the better spread with FG+Hbar then? FG is meant to lower accuracy. Its plain and simple in the Dice description of the attachment. Yes the probability of hitting the target is higher with FG because of the less Horizontal recoil but to someone who can master the recoil regardless it would be more beneficial to them to run without it.

Of course you will have a higher chance of hitting your target with FG+Hbar without countering recoil, thats what these charts and statistics are based on. But for someone who can counter it perfectly. Hbar alone would be better.

READ THE FUCKING ORIGINAL POST.
what does horizontal recoil do? is a gun with .4 to both sides less accurate then one with .2 to both sides? YES.

this thread PROVES that sustained bursts are more accurate (while standing still) when using FG+HB, becouse the horizontal recoil reduction outweighs the spread panalty. regardless of recoil controll.
what happens when you controll the M16A3's hor recoil? it turns into .25 to both sides. Horizontal recoil assuming perfect recoil compensation.

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 7:06pm

M16a3 is always a sharp pull to the right

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Tuesday, March 5th 2013, 7:08pm

Lammeat, I would advise you to read through the first 3-4 pages of this thread. You cannot master H recoil because it is random, so you never know which direction a shot will pull in. Sure, a gun might pull mostly to the right but some shots will also pull to the left and you cannot predict this.

As I said, read the first few pages of the thread again, I don't think you understood the information presented. :)
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