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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 9:59pm

Horizontal recoil analysis (recoil patterns)

While doing some of my older research (recoil decrease for example) I always felt something is weird with the side recoil.

After some discussing with Rezal, I started making some samples to analyse the patterns and randomness.

It looks like recoil has premade patterns, under investigation.

Further investigations so far: LINK1 LINK2 LINK3 LINK4 LINK5
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:00pm

I've counted the LL, LR, RL and RR combinations for those 20 pictures. For a symmetrical weapon with completely random recoil, they should appear with the same prevalence. So far, we have analyzed 310 samples. The exact numbers are:
LL: 53
LR: 99
RL: 96
RR: 62

310 samples aren't that much, but it seems to become evident that RR and LL have lower prevalence due to the virtually absent LLL/RRR combinations. Note: some samles might have to be excluded due to scope sway at the beginning of a burst, but it won't change the overall distribution much. More samples might come in tomorrow.
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:01pm

SECOND! CAN'T RESERVE THIS SPACE ANYMORE!

What do you mean with "you cannot have more than 2 recoil to the same side"?

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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:01pm

EDIT: With the updated hypothesis, my analysis has become irrelevant, and merely shows that the scripted recoil patterns are "balanced (or close to it)

Alright, from left to right

Row 1 -
L-7 R-7 == 0
L-6 R-7 == -1
L-4 R-10 == 6
L-5 R-9 == 4
L-9 R-5 == -4

Row 2 -
L-4 R-8 == -4
L-8 R-6 == 2
L-8 R-6 == 2
L-7 R-6 == 1
L-7 R-7 == 0

Row 3 -
L-6 R-8 == -2
L-7 R-6 == 1
L-8 R-6 == 2
L-8 R-6 == 2
L-6 R-8 == -2

Row 4 -
L-11 R-13 == -2
L-14 R-9 == 5
L-12 R-12 == 0
L-14 R-10 == 4
L-11 R-12 == -1

Here's the distribution:



Analysis - this is perfectly normal statistically. This is pretty much exactly what I expected to see.
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:02pm

Two questions:
1) What weapon were you using?
2) Could spread have been a factor in this (comes back to the first question)?

Nevermind, I'm an idiot. I read the first post wrong.
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:06pm


2) Could spread have been a factor in this (comes back to the first question)?

Spread doesn't affect scope location.
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:06pm

SO if I get it right, does it mean that when the game chooses one of the horizontal recoil values it never chooses the same more than twice on average, if so its a good thing to hear.

Basically if a gun has "balanced" H-Recoil it'll mean that it won't have such a difference if the values were different.

Like the 0.2 h recoil gun will have mostly upper while a 0.1/0.3 H recoil gun will get rightwards drift.

This is a bit obvious but I never knew it wouldn't choose the same value twice.

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2) Could spread have been a factor in this (comes back to the first question)?

Spread doesn't affect scope location.

Derp, I initially read this as bullet location not scope location. I'm an idiot :(
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:09pm

Two questions:
1) What weapon were you using?

First 15 is M240B for the 0.5 0.5 symmetrical high side recoil.
Last 5 is M249 for the still symmetrical 0.4 0.4 horizontal recoil, but less vertical allowed me to do longer bursts. More M249 will be available tomorrow probably.

2) Could spread have been a factor in this (comes back to the first question)?

Scope movement is only affected by recoil, except the first 3 shots where it gets a weird scope sway. I tried to avoid the sway with good picture picking, but couldnt completely (see: sample 4 and 10).
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Wednesday, June 6th 2012, 10:13pm

2) Could spread have been a factor in this (comes back to the first question)?

Scope movement is only affected by recoil, except the first 3 shots where it gets a weird scope sway. I tried to avoid the sway with good picture picking, but couldnt completely (see: sample 4 and 10).

I thought that this was done by location of bullet holes, not by scope movement. That was me being an idiot.
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ViperFTW: AS
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