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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:00pm

So is stealing from the uncap a bad gameplay element that should be fixed?

Edit - great points have been made here about how stealing from uncaps on console, or PC with fewer than 24 players does not pose a substantial issue, and I completely agree. My premise is that on the Rush Jet maps, with 32, 48 or 64 players, stealing the defending team's Rush Jet causes a massive imbalance where there is no defense for. The scenario also applies to the Heli on Sharqi conquest with 32+ players.

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Specifically I'm talking about stealing an uncap vehicle from an area that is out of bounds to players on the ground?

I was just dominating these two -

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/sol…tats/327968433/
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http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/sol…tats/296285521/

And here's the battlelog - http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/bat…71/1/351986612/ (i was 5-minute idle kicked while discussing the rule with an admin) but you can see I was top jet that round despite only playing the first third of the game.

And I've played with them before, they're both heli guys, so its no surprise that I was dominating their heli with my jet. So first they come after me with the jet, five times in a row, dominated. Not sure why but WMWW quits, and then comes back a minute later. The game goes on, a stinger gets me somehow, no idea. I spawn into my jet to their heli hovering over me, and even though i've out spawned them, WM shoots me out of the cockpit and steals my frogfoot. On rush this is the Russians' only air unit, and there's no AA of any kind, so obviously he held it the rest of the game.

I type something like: Really, douchebags? And to their credit, they say something to the tune of, yea well, you were killing us in the jet.

It's always been my understanding that out of bounds on the ground, means out of bounds in the air, except for potentially clan matches where these policies are agree on beforehand, but pub servers, and general good sportsmanship would respect the game enough to not base rape, and not steal vehicles from the uncap. Don't get me wrong, I steal vehicles on the battlefield CONSTANTLY, as I see that as stealing kits, as that's not out of bounds.

So, what do you guys think?
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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:05pm

Specifically if that uncap is out of bounds to players on the ground?

I was just raping these two -

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/sol…tats/327968433/
and
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/sol…tats/296285521/

And here's the battlelog - http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/bat…71/1/351986612/ (i was 5-minute idle kicked while discussing the rule with an admin) but you can see I was top jet, that round even despite the cheaters.

And I've played with them before, they're both heli guys, so its no surprise that I was dominating their heli with my jet. So first they come after me with the jet, five times in a row, dominated. Not sure why but WMWW quits, and then comes back a minute later. The game goes on, a stinger gets me somehow, no idea. I spawn into my jet to their heli hovering over me, and even though i've out spawned them, WM shoots me out of the cockpit and steals my frogfoot. On rush this is the Russians' only air unit, and there's no AA of any kind, so obviously he held it the rest of the game.

I type something like: Really, douchebags? And to their credit, they say something to the tune of, yea well, you were killing us in the jet.

It's always been my understanding that out of bounds on the ground, means out of bounds in the air, except for potentially clan matches where these policies are agree on beforehand, but pub servers, and general good sportsmanship would respect the game enough to not base rape, and not steal vehicles from the uncap. Don't get me wrong, I steal vehicles on the battlefield CONSTANTLY, as I see that as stealing kits, as that's not out of bounds.

So, what do you guys think?


Taking a disabled tank or Heli that someone just leaves in the middle of the battlefield? Hell yea. I do not condone stealing vehicles from uncaps though, very unsportsmanlike
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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:07pm

There's a reason that there's an uncap--the other team shouldn't be there.

If you leave your jet parked on a road in the middle of a map, that's fair game. If you don't even get off of the ground before it gets stolen, that's more of a dick move than anything else.
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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:11pm

I always steal SU-35's when I'm on the US team on a map with F-35's. Also if I'm with a friend who wants to fly and the enemy team have given up using their jet on Rush I sometimes steal it to let my friend fly the teams jet.

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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:13pm

I always steal SU-35's when I'm on the US team on a map with F-35's.

Ahh but that is different! The wake island Jets spawn IN BOUNDS, so I steal those jets as well. Again, I'm specifically talking about stealing just from an out of bounds uncap.

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Ahh, and I just put together why WMWW quit in the middle of the round! Right as I disabled him the fifth time, he bailed (again), and I happened to glimpse him bail, so I typed LOL right away, letting him know I knew it was him who bailed. I watched the kill feed for suicides and "is no more" but didn't see one.

He quit before the 10 seconds out of bounds killed him so there wouldn't be a trace that he had bailed on me.

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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:27pm

If it's in bounds it's fair game. If it's in the uncap then it turns douchy. Not to say me and my friends haven't stolen a few Vipers if I'm RU or vise versa.

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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:36pm

The reason why I think it's 100% cheating is because, on Kharg Rush, there's no AA gun of any kind. The Russian team doesn't even get a heli. With this in mind, there's no way to defend against it, does the US team just get two jets every game of Kharg Rush? The Russian team literally has zero recourse. I'm adding this to the bug thread. You shouldn't be able to enter any enemy vehicle that is out of bounds and on the ground in the new spawn protection zone.
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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:37pm

If the game allows it it is not cheating. I will steal any enemy vehicle without moral qualms.
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Saturday, July 14th 2012, 6:41pm

The reason why I think it's 100% cheating is because, on Kharg Rush, there's no AA gun of any kind. The Russian team doesn't even get a heli. With this in mind, there's no way to defend against it, does the US team just get two jets every game of Kharg Rush? The Russian team literally has zero recourse. I'm adding this to the bug thread. You shouldn't be able to enter any enemy vehicle that is out of bounds and on the ground. (this still allows for superman jumps off Damavand peak to steal a floating enemy helicopter.) :)

I think it's been like this for the longest now. Well since I can remember.