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Tuesday, July 4th 2017, 3:10pm

SLR related question: is there any source where I can find the optimal fire rate for each SLR (i.e. Tap rate that is just slow enough to allow for a spread reset)? Or alternatively, how would I calculate that based on Symthic stats? Thanks in advance!


If you looked at the General Info page, you'd have found that spread begins to decrease when the weapon is next ready to fire. Knowing that, you'd have worked out the formula for the highest RoF at min spread to be:

60/((60/RoF)+(SIPS/SDPS))

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Tuesday, July 4th 2017, 4:27pm

SLR related question: is there any source where I can find the optimal fire rate for each SLR (i.e. Tap rate that is just slow enough to allow for a spread reset)? Or alternatively, how would I calculate that based on Symthic stats? Thanks in advance!


If you looked at the General Info page, you'd have found that spread begins to decrease when the weapon is next ready to fire. Knowing that, you'd have worked out the formula for the highest RoF at min spread to be:

60/((60/RoF)+(SIPS/SDPS))


That would be a useful value to have in the symthic tables though for chart comparison purposes, etc.

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Tuesday, July 4th 2017, 5:59pm

Thanks. If that formula is correct I get some pretty interesting results.
I have looked at standing ADS - have not included the 1907SL (will be spammed at CQB, and that's its only use).
Obviously some variants will shine better when it comes to strafing...

Anyways - I get the following; results presented as (stated rof / optimal tap rate):
- Selbstlader M1916 factory: (224 / 199)
- Selbstlader M1916 optical: (224 / 199)
- Selbstlader M1916 marksman: (224 / 199)

- Mondragon storm: (257 / 200)
- Mondragon optical: (257 / 225)
- Mondragon sniper: (257 / 200)

- Cei Rigotti factory: (299 / 256)
- Cei Rigotti trench: (299 / 224)
- Cei Rigotti optical: (299 / 256)

- Autoloading 8.25 ext.: (359 / 257)
- Autoloading 8.35 factory: (359 / 299)
- Autoloading 8.35 marksman: (359 / 299)

- Selbstlader 1906 factory: (299 / 256)
- Selbstlader 1906 sniper: (299 / 224)

SIPS and SDPS follow a general trend:
- Factory - SIPS: 0.200 and SDPS: 6.00; giving a ratio of SIPS / SDPS of 0.033
- Optical / marksman - SIPS: 0.125 and SDPS: 3.75; giving a ratio of SIPS / SDPS of 0.033 [identifal to factory]
- Sniper / Storm / Trench - SIPS: 0.200 and SDPS: 3.00; giving a ratio of 0.067 [ie slower spread reset than above]

If the formula is correct; then some interesting conclusions:
- Optical is the Mondragon variant that allows for highest tap rate. Storm and Sniper have the same optimal tap rate as the Selbstlader!
- Auto 8.25 has a fairly low relative rate, but guess you don't need to wait for a full reset given the short optimal engagement range

PS: don't go nuts if the above is wrong; all I have done is input numbers into the formula ...

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Wednesday, July 5th 2017, 9:20am

I tried the Mondragon Optical, BEAST MODE!!! I was destroying everything! Good advice sir.

On a side note I find the 1.25x zoom the best, I'm more accurate with it weirdly and better for close up. I assume like in other shooters that less zoom scopes quicker? And irons are the quickest to scope?

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Wednesday, July 5th 2017, 9:25am

Coincidence, this was actually a reply to Skanic's advice on page 1, seems your calculations give extra merit to his advice. The Mondragon Optimal is a lot of fun.

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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 12:54am

Pretty easy to find the optimum tap rate for 0 spread increase without doing math.

Is it Marksman/Optical/Factory? Use the next-largest 30Hz interval. For 360RPM guns, that's 299RPM. For 299, that's 257. For 257, 225; 225, 200; 200, 167.

You'll note something interesting: the fastest RoF without spread increase is always the max RoF of the next step down in the class.

If you're using Sniper off the bipod, Trench, or Sweeper, then drop down two stages. Model 8 .25 [sweeper] to 257 rather than 300; M1907 Sweeper to 225 rather than 257.

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Thursday, July 6th 2017, 4:50am

For 360RPM guns, that's 299RPM. For 299, that's 257. For 257, 225; 225, 200; 200, 167.


No one spares a thought for the Gasser M1870 and its 179RPM these days. It feels as though it's unjustly been forgotten from your list.

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Thursday, July 20th 2017, 3:02pm

Pretty easy to find the optimum tap rate for 0 spread increase without doing math.

Is it Marksman/Optical/Factory? Use the next-largest 30Hz interval. For 360RPM guns, that's 299RPM. For 299, that's 257. For 257, 225; 225, 200; 200, 167.

You'll note something interesting: the fastest RoF without spread increase is always the max RoF of the next step down in the class.

If you're using Sniper off the bipod, Trench, or Sweeper, then drop down two stages. Model 8 .25 [sweeper] to 257 rather than 300; M1907 Sweeper to 225 rather than 257.
Am I wrong, or M1916 Marksman and Mondragon Sniper off-bipod have the same zero spread increase RPM?
Sorry for my bad english - it's not my native language and I have difficulties with acquiring speaking/writing practice in my country. If I accidently insult you or say something wrong - I'm sorry, you can feel free to correct me.

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Friday, July 21st 2017, 2:40pm

Pretty easy to find the optimum tap rate for 0 spread increase without doing math.

Is it Marksman/Optical/Factory? Use the next-largest 30Hz interval. For 360RPM guns, that's 299RPM. For 299, that's 257. For 257, 225; 225, 200; 200, 167.

You'll note something interesting: the fastest RoF without spread increase is always the max RoF of the next step down in the class.

If you're using Sniper off the bipod, Trench, or Sweeper, then drop down two stages. Model 8 .25 [sweeper] to 257 rather than 300; M1907 Sweeper to 225 rather than 257.
Am I wrong, or M1916 Marksman and Mondragon Sniper off-bipod have the same zero spread increase RPM?


You are correct.

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"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

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"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

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Wednesday, August 9th 2017, 10:43pm

Storm variants should always have the best control, if that's what you mean.

Hrecoil is what affects accuracy the most. Vrecoil affects time back on target.

I'm trying the Medic thing and finding after 6 months of shotguns & automatic weapons I'm finding it hard to get my fingers trained to get good TTK out of the semi-autos. But I'm working on it.