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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 1:06am

BF1 Medic Rifles "Shooting Mechanic" TTKs (Prelim. RSC 1917 Included)

Shooting Mechanics

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The upcoming RSC 1917 is the 2HK self-loading rifle that a lot of people wanted the current 5-rounders to be. For that damage model, though, currently it has the in-game RPM setting of mere 163. So, where does it fit into the current Medic Rifles TTK hierarchy? Let's find out!

For simplicity sake I set the RSC to change from 2HK to 3HK at 48m, same distance as Auto-8 .35 changes from 3HK to 4HK.

0m to 17m
  1. Tied: Auto-8 .25 and Auto-8 .35 | 0.3333333333s
  2. RSC 1917 | 0.3666666667s
  3. Tied: Cei-Rigotti, M1907 SL, Luger 1906 | 0.4s
  4. Mondragon | 0.45s
  5. M1916 | 0.5333333333s


18m to 27m
  1. Auto-8 .35 | 0.3333333333s
  2. RSC 1917 | 0.3666666667s
  3. Tied: Cei-Rigotti, M1907 SL, Luger 1906 | 0.4s
  4. Mondragon | 0.45s
  5. Auto-8 .25 | 0.5s
  6. M1916 | 0.5333333333s


28m to 36m
  1. Auto-8 .35 | 0.3333333333s
  2. RSC 1917 | 0.3666666667s
  3. Tied: Cei-Rigotti and Luger 1906 | 0.4s
  4. Mondragon | 0.45s
  5. M1916 | 0.5333333333s
  6. M1907 | 0.6s
  7. Auto-8 .25 | 0.6666666667s


37m to 47m
  1. Auto-8 .35 | 0.3333333333s
  2. RSC 1917 | 0.3666666667s
  3. Luger 1906 | 0.4s
  4. Mondragon | 0.45s
  5. M1916 | 0.5333333333s
  6. Cei-Rigotti| 0.6s
  7. Auto-8 .25 | 0.6666666667s
  8. M1907 | 0.8s


48m and Beyond
  1. Luger 1906 | 0.4s
  2. Mondragon | 0.45s
  3. Auto-8 .35 | 0.5s
  4. M1916 | 0.5333333333s
  5. Cei-Rigotti| 0.6s
  6. Auto-8 .25 | 0.6666666667s
  7. RSC 1917 | 0.7333333333s
  8. M1907 | 0.8s

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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 1:26am

Honestly, I'm not surprised. 163 RPM is horrifically slow. Headshots will be needed to use effectively.

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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho

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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 1:34am

The TTK should be roughly 60/163 = 0.368 s from the first bullet, making it extremely effective within the 2HK range. Your math is the time to fire 3-4 bullets, not 2-3. Is the hitrater that sour on hitting two shots in a row?

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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 1:44am

yup, can easily confirm that veritable made a newbie mistake by checking the already available ttk charts:
BF1 Time- & Bullets-To-Kill charts | Symthic

if as interim said it has a .368 ttk point blank(can't bother to check the math), that puts it exactly in the middle of the model 8 and the cei rigotti/luger/m1907, which was probably the intention of dice in the first place.

also assuming that at 3btk the ttk is 0.736, that basically makes it a longer range lower mag capacity .25, but with higher ttk in close range.
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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 2:01am

But isn't the TTK from the time the first bullet is fired? If so, it is the time to fire 1 bullet, which in seconds is 0.368. In its 3HK range, 2*60/163 = 0.733. What am I missing? Looks competitive to me (and fun). Those times don't require headshots.

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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 2:10am

But isn't the TTK from the time the first bullet is fired? If so, it is the time to fire 1 bullet, which in seconds is 0.368. In its 3HK range, 2*60/163 = 0.733. What am I missing? Looks competitive to me (and fun). Those times don't require headshots.

what you're missing is that veritable didn't notice his error, he probably didn't even read your comment yet, or maybe he did and he's in the middle of editing his opening post.
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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 2:30am

Math is math, but knowing veritables assumptions is equally important.

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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 2:44am

I actually haven't looked at all the RSC stats. I just figured it would be a headshot machine because of the abysmal RoF. A 38 min. damage is sufficient for a headshot - body shot combo at min. damage range but, then again, so is 37.

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Prepare your laughbox

the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho

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Wednesday, February 22nd 2017, 3:03am

I have played with the RSC and I think its an awesome gun, I would rank it like this .

1. .35 All variants
2. 1906
3. RSC

But me personally would use it over the 1906 at least. I feel like the RSC is another good close quarters gun.