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Monday, November 7th 2016, 11:52pm

Only thing i know about recoil decrease is that it has accelleration.
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Tuesday, November 8th 2016, 10:41am

hey, I've been checking out this site for a while now, but have been lazy, and never joined until now. Just wanted to say thanks for the time and effort that you, Veritable, put in to give us a better understanding of all things battlefield. I really like reading about the tests and findings that you figure out. i only started playing first person shooters about a year ago, with battlefield 4, and the stuff you do, helped quite a lot, and now i'm proud to say that i get a bit of hatemail, when i'm playing well, which is the dream of every player of battlefield. lol. thanks mate!

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Friday, November 11th 2016, 3:21am

As I understand from Marble Duck's vid on SIPS FSM, wasn't the whole point to the new changes to make it so always firing the same number of shots was sub-optimal? At 50 meters, shouldn't you be firing less shots per bursts?

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Friday, November 11th 2016, 7:03pm

SIPS FSM

SIPS FSM for these Medic primary weapons are all 1x, so BF4 "shooting style" still applies.

I did another study where these guns shoot 50m BTK, so 8mm Mauser guns -> 3RB, 6.5mm Carcano / .35 Rem -> 4RB, .351 Win SL / .25 Rem -> 5RB, but instead of Reload Times I used a scoring system for that: BF1 Medic Self-Loading Rifles - "Origin Access" Stats - Gets the Big List Treatment

Also, just as in BF4, it is still the "best" to pace-your-shot. See analysis here: BF1 Medic Self-Loading Rifles - "Origin Access" Stats - Gets the Big List Treatment

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Saturday, November 12th 2016, 1:11am

so 8mm Mauser guns -> 3RB

I thought the Mondragon and the Selbstlader M1916 used the 7mm Mauser calibre rather than the 8mm Mauser calibre that is used in the Selbstlader 1906.

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Saturday, November 12th 2016, 1:39am

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I'm running Marksman with the 2.5x zoom.

Marksman just because I find the iron sights to be borderline unusable. In fact, that's what prevents me from using the 1906—I just can't hit shit with those irons. The Remington 8's irons are a little better, but still total garbage. It's the same reason as to why I end up using the Mondragón Sniper—I just hit things a lot more consistently with the scope than with the irons, and even the pseudo-reddots are still pretty bad for me.

2.5x zoom because it's the lowest the big scopes go. As you probably have seen, I still have trouble ADSing in CQC and hitting people reliably. I find that hipfire is just too inconsistent when >60% accuracy is necessary to not die. I simply need more practice with the ADS sub-25m targeting. A few hundred more kills and I'll have it down reasonably.

I have found that I consistently achieve 51 damage with headshots even at >75m. This is strange—it seems to have a different headshot multiplier or something.

In whole, the gun has a very unique burst-damage play style that is extremely fun, even if ToTheSun claims that it is ineffective. I find it to suit me well.

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Saturday, November 12th 2016, 6:14am

30X1.7= 51, nothing new here duck.
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Saturday, November 12th 2016, 8:35am

I have found that I consistently achieve 51 damage with headshots even at >75m. This is strange-it seems to have a different headshot multiplier or something.

mfw 30 * 1.7 = 51
something something Model 8 bestgun


How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Saturday, November 12th 2016, 2:58pm

I was under the impression that it had 28 min damage. Odd.

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"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

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"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

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Sunday, November 13th 2016, 12:11am

Would the Autoloading 8 .35 variants be overpowered if they had the same damage model as the Mondragon and the Selbstlader M1916? In that case, it will again be trading ammunition capacity for rate of fire with personal accuracy still being emphasized.

Would the Selbstlader 1906 be overpowered if it had a higher damage model than the Mondragon and the Selbstlader M1916? It happens to shoot a larger calibre from Mauser in real life, so DICE could reasonably justify allowing it to have a different damage model given its smaller bullet capacity. For example, a minimum damage of 38 would enable it to kill with one headshot and one shot to the body at range with the headshot multiplier being 1.7 times. This would give it a special niche and actually make it more viable compared to the situation now where most of the other self-loading rifles are better choices. The Selbstlader 1906 would not be overly powerful then either as it would still take three shots to the body to kill at all ranges, but something akin to this change would better reward accuracy.



I was under the impression that it had 28 min damage. Odd.

Wow. This made me realize that the Cei-Rigotti will not kill with two headshots starting from 40 metres.