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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 5:38am

Have you guys actually played BF1942 and BFV? Or are you just complaining about things because you don't like them?


Erm, usually not liking something is what causes one to complain about it, yes.

Not all things must be experienced to be understood, not on a conceptual level. For an obvious example, I wouldn't want wizards and magic in a BF game, even if they somehow made all gameplay literally perfect (in a mechanical sense), because they're not an element I feel is appropriate or makes sense in a BF game. I simply dislike the concept, just like I dislike the concept of flag-based supplies, and what that concept implies for teamplay and player interaction.
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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 6:24am

Have you guys actually played BF1942 and BFV? Or are you just complaining about things because you don't like them?


Erm, usually not liking something is what causes one to complain about it, yes.

Not all things must be experienced to be understood, not on a conceptual level. For an obvious example, I wouldn't want wizards and magic in a BF game, even if they somehow made all gameplay literally perfect (in a mechanical sense), because they're not an element I feel is appropriate or makes sense in a BF game. I simply dislike the concept, just like I dislike the concept of flag-based supplies, and what that concept implies for teamplay and player interaction.


That's a long winded way of saying: "No, I don't know what I'm talking about."

Battlefield does have magic. Ammo boxes that defy conservation of mass, gadgets capable of necromancy, etc.

It's still magic even when you dress it with a veneer of "muh realism".

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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 6:47am

That's not even remotely close to what I was talking about, I just picked an obvious example of something that doesn't fit the style of a BF game. Way to miss the point.

I suggest this discussion ends here, before mods have to get involved, seeing as neither of you are capable of accepting personal preferences and opinions as being subjective.
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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 9:53am

Yes, I have played BF1942, that must have been in 2004 or 05. So that is really a long time away. And maybe the ammo crates were a possible solution in a game 14 years ago. However the franchise has evolved in certain places and while the class system has not been really altered for over a decade, it is a working one.

If your ammo depletes while engaging vehicle, then maybe the engagement was taken in an inappropriate time. If you have to run to the next flag to get resupplied you are just exchanging one jolly walk with another. The support class is working, it is just a matter of game mechanics disencouraging the use of the ammo crate. Give the support three crates to drop, increase the radius, remove the pouch and the auto-resupply on at least the limpet and the crossbow. And if there is still a perceived shortage of ammo crates/support players, then one should bloody well play suport oneself. Matter of fact this is the first question one should ask: Are there enough supports?

Everybody is selling their opinion on here, so let's not forget that. If self-dependency is really something people would like to see, then DICE should simply implement the pick 10 mechanic from CoD and/or full auto-resupply, so that we have a Battlefront experience with a Battlefield skin. To me that is just where that road goes.

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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 6:16pm

Yes, I have played BF1942, that must have been in 2004 or 05. So that is really a long time away. And maybe the ammo crates were a possible solution in a game 14 years ago. However the franchise has evolved in certain places and while the class system has not been really altered for over a decade, it is a working one.

If your ammo depletes while engaging vehicle, then maybe the engagement was taken in an inappropriate time. If you have to run to the next flag to get resupplied you are just exchanging one jolly walk with another. The support class is working, it is just a matter of game mechanics disencouraging the use of the ammo crate. Give the support three crates to drop, increase the radius, remove the pouch and the auto-resupply on at least the limpet and the crossbow. And if there is still a perceived shortage of ammo crates/support players, then one should bloody well play suport oneself. Matter of fact this is the first question one should ask: Are there enough supports?

Everybody is selling their opinion on here, so let's not forget that. If self-dependency is really something people would like to see, then DICE should simply implement the pick 10 mechanic from CoD and/or full auto-resupply, so that we have a Battlefront experience with a Battlefield skin. To me that is just where that road goes.


No, the problem is that BF1 vehicles have equal protection on a 360 degree arc, and the facing bonuses are so wimpy that they don't matter from the perspective of guaranteeing a kill. So no matter what you do, if you're engaging a tank at range you're going to run out of ammo before getting a kill no matter what you do unless you have help.

In every other title before BF1 you had surplus of ammo for dealing with tanks from an ambush position. It was something of a battle of skill between the tankers to clear ambush and the infantry to set an ambush. On the flipside BF1 tanks are very vulnerable to close range ambush with mines/grens. Just a different way to balance, but one that plays heavily on resupply.

The passage of time does not automatically make solutions to problems obsolete, handing people ammo is not an exclusive way to get teamwork. BF has removed many of the complex teamwork mechanics because they were under-used, anyway.

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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 7:03pm

Yeah this is definitely true with the vehicles. I wouldn't ultimately blame the support for this. Maybe two spotflares are not enough, or four rocket guns and maybe you should be able to solo a vehicle instead of the full assault onslaught it tends to take. Because I can agree with the sentiment that a support player actively seeking out multiple assaults engaged in a vehicle fight and putting his ass on the line is indeed not something players would normally do.

The issues surely lie a bit deeper than just too few supports dropping ammo.

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Wednesday, May 2nd 2018, 8:07pm

Yeah this is definitely true with the vehicles. I wouldn't ultimately blame the support for this. Maybe two spotflares are not enough, or four rocket guns and maybe you should be able to solo a vehicle instead of the full assault onslaught it tends to take. Because I can agree with the sentiment that a support player actively seeking out multiple assaults engaged in a vehicle fight and putting his ass on the line is indeed not something players would normally do.

The issues surely lie a bit deeper than just too few supports dropping ammo.


The issue is that problems with ammunition supply management run extremely deep in battlefield, both for infantry and vehicles. Support gadgetry is currently the only mechanism providing resupply in the game. The tank abilities are not relevant because no skilled tankers use those variants anyway.

I don't think it should be mathematically impossible for an assault player to solo a tank at range, it is generally practically impossible because tanks can shoot back, and snipers love picking off podded players. Those factors are sufficient for balance. Tank killing will always be a group effort no matter how much ammo you give players, but they've entirely removed the rewards for a good ambush. Now you have to fight the tank in direct CQB to succeed in ambushing, and the tanks are quite vulnerable in CQB . But it's overall pretty tedious.

Everything in battlefield works pretty great if you have a coherent squad that works together and divides up class roles and plays those classes to their strength. That's clearly not how most people play Battlefield. That's not how most people have EVER played Battlefield.

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Thursday, May 3rd 2018, 10:36am

I just occasionally play battlefield and when I do its definitely because the setting and style of the game is so unique. However, I cant say I enjoy the game. If the round goes well, then its good, but if I just fail over and over again and cant get any traction, then I am just leaving the server and the game overall. Sounds lame and pathetic, I know, but I am not starting the game to get into rage-mode.

I cannot put my finger on the thing that bothers me and actually it's not even my job to do so. DICE/EA have enough money to do some fucking research themselves.

But BF is imho still the best shooter. CS has a too high skill floor for me (not interested), Overwatch style is not my cup of tea, BattleRoyale in general doesnt raise interest in me, RB6 doesnt either and I dont wanna waste money for COD on PC because its infected with cheaters within minutes.
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Thursday, May 3rd 2018, 6:40pm

The game.
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
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Best of epic quotes :D

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Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Saturday, May 5th 2018, 12:41am

I could write a dissertation on what annoys me in BF1. Here's to hoping BF2018 doesn't make the same mistakes, because I'd be really disappointed if I have to find another shooter to play for another 2 years. Pubg has been scratching that itch, but it's still not "Battlefield"