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Wednesday, June 28th 2017, 8:02pm

Not every SMG and LMG has the same BTK between 25-40m.

An SMG's ability to land said BTK is also miles behind an LMG's so the effective TTK is much worse than the charts would indicate.
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Wednesday, June 28th 2017, 8:03pm

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If you're getting killed by someone burst-firing an SMG (increasing its TTK) outside its effective range while you hold down the trigger to get even more accurate, he's better than you.
My post has nothing to do with skills. It not even about 1v1s. It is about weapon effectiveness. Look at your own link and compare TTK and BTK between 25-40 meters. Then look at where the medic rifles become dominant with TTK. There is simply too much overlap to leave room for the LMGs to have a space to compete. If the weapons are designed to fill range categories from short to long: SMG>LMG>DMR>BA then the current effective ranges are not working as intended.

You're right. The Autoloading 8 Factory/Extended and RSC dominate 3 out of the 4 SMGs in CQC. The SMGs need a buff too.

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Wednesday, June 28th 2017, 9:53pm

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If you're getting killed by someone burst-firing an SMG (increasing its TTK) outside its effective range while you hold down the trigger to get even more accurate, he's better than you.
My post has nothing to do with skills. It not even about 1v1s. It is about weapon effectiveness. Look at your own link and compare TTK and BTK between 25-40 meters. Then look at where the medic rifles become dominant with TTK. There is simply too much overlap to leave room for the LMGs to have a space to compete. If the weapons are designed to fill range categories from short to long: SMG>LMG>DMR>BA then the current effective ranges are not working as intended.

You're right. The Autoloading 8 Factory/Extended and RSC dominate 3 out of the 4 SMGs in CQC. The SMGs need a buff too.


As they should. The Model 8 has either 5 rounds or godawful ranged damage, and the RSC is painfully difficult to use and fucks you over completely if you miss just 1 shot.

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Wednesday, June 28th 2017, 10:18pm

Good thing I carefully included the Extended variant lol. This is the overlap hxsolo seems to be complaining about. Assault SMGs CAN be beaten at CQC by other weapons (Chauchat shits on 3/4 SMGs up close) and the Ribeyrolles shits on the Chauchat between 13-38m, killing almost 100ms faster.

No class apart from Scout is supreme in its niche with every single weapon (Russian trench and 1903 experimental aside). Assaults can be beaten up close by other classes, Medics and Supports can be beaten at mid-range by other classes. That isn't such a bad thing is it?

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Wednesday, June 28th 2017, 10:48pm

It's not a bad thing, it means we have good variety within weapon classes, especially Medic and Support. Assault would be too if the Automatico and Hellriegel were brought in line.

Bolt Actions are always going to have the least variety by nature, but BF1 still manages to give them some quite well. Scout would still be far more relevant and competitive with something like the Pistol Carbines though; it would actually be comparable to the other classes.
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Wednesday, June 28th 2017, 10:50pm

Good thing I carefully included the Extended variant


"or godawful ranged damage"

The thing absolutely gets rekt by virtually all LMGs outside 25m and even SMGs don't struggle that hard against it.

Regardless, I don't see much problem with overlap. If you choose an extreme CQC medic rifle, seems reasonable that it kills a few Assault SMGs (though the 4BTK MP18 would help a LOT in narrowing the disparity, even when we bring the Model 8 up to 450RPM), just as Slugs/MP18 optical doesn't have much trouble beating the 5BTK Medic rifles.

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"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

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Thursday, June 29th 2017, 12:01am

the Ribeyrolles shits on the Chauchat between 13-38m, killing almost 100ms faster.


The Ribeyrolles is beating the Chauchat by a whisker between 13-30m. The Chauchat matches the Madsen MG for TTK in that window (apart from the 30th metre when the Madsen starts to take a 6th bullet to kill).

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Thursday, June 29th 2017, 12:18am

A whisker? Between 13-28m, the Ribeyrolles kills over 50ms faster, and to put that into perspective, 50ms is the difference between the TTKs of the AEK and the M416 up close. Between 31-38m the Ribeyrolles kills almost 100ms faster.

I'd say it performs significantly better at range.

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Thursday, June 29th 2017, 12:25am

Guess its about time that Veritable bust out the hitrater and educate everyone how spread and spread reset play roles in increasing TTK.

Anyway, I think discussion here has drifted from TTK and gunplay to interclass weapon balance.

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Thursday, June 29th 2017, 12:27am

A whisker? Between 13-28m, the Ribeyrolles kills over 50ms faster, and to put that into perspective, 50ms is the difference between the TTKs of the AEK and the M416 up close. Between 31-38m the Ribeyrolles kills almost 100ms faster.

I'd say it performs significantly better at range.


Ah, it turns out I initially miscalculated it. It matches the Lewis Gun for TTK in that window instead. That seems more right from experience.

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