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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 4:32am

Hypothetical mondragon extended variant

Never have I desired a variant more for a weapon to be added into BF1.


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Mondragon 1908 Semiauto Rifles - 4 Different Examples - YouTube
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Some mondragons were equipped with a 12 round detachable magazine and were primarily used by the german air corps. I think this would be great to see implemented into the game.
The question is how to balance it If such a weapon was implemented into the game.

Hypothetically, It could have to following stats to balance it:

Mag size: 12
Choice between iron sights and buckhorn sights
ADS Base Spread: 0.18
ADS Moving spread: 1.02
Spread increase: 0.2
Spread decrease: 3.0
These above stats are the same as the storm

Vertical Recoil: 1.1
Horizontal recoil: 0.45
Recoil decrease: 3
These are the same as the sniper.

The reason I choose these hypothetical stats is because statistically, the hypothetical stats possess the flaws of both sniper and storm variants without the benefit of any of the other variants: It has the higher recoil of the sniper and it has the lack of precision of the storm. It also doesnt possess the better spread of the optical. This in turn allows the other three variants to have better, unique stats while the hypothetical extended lacks any of these favorable quirks in turn of having a faster reloading, larger detachable magazine.
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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 5:11am

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It has the higher recoil of the sniper and it has the lack of precision of the storm. It also doesnt possess the better spread of the optical.

So what reason is there to use basically a crappy Selb 1916 Factory with half the mag capacity?

Keep in mind, the Selb 1916 and Mondragon are direct competitors to each other. One has 2.5x the mag capacity in box reloads, the other has just a slight -0.08 horizontal recoil decrease.

The thing that really separates the two are the variants. Mondragon gets the Storm (much less recoil) and Sniper (Bipod), 1916 gets the Factory (less spread increase per shot, faster spread reset) and Marksman (less spread increase per shot).

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 5:18am

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It has the higher recoil of the sniper and it has the lack of precision of the storm. It also doesnt possess the better spread of the optical.

So what reason is there to use basically a crappy Selb 1916 Factory with half the mag capacity?

Keep in mind, the Selb 1916 and Mondragon are direct competitors to each other. One has 2.5x the mag capacity in box reloads, the other has just a slight -0.08 horizontal recoil decrease.

The thing that really separates the two are the variants. Mondragon gets the Storm (much less recoil) and Sniper (Bipod), 1916 gets the Factory (less spread increase per shot, faster spread reset) and Marksman (less spread increase per shot).

The mondragon also has a faster rate of fire
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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 5:20am

Other than, you know, the big RoF difference of 257 and 225.

Not sure how you could possibly gloss over this fact. 14% doesn't seem like a lot? It is, though—it's the same as the difference between the ACE 21 and the ACW R

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 5:24am

I completely forgot about the extra 33RPM, but it just shows how that extra RPM is hardly anything noticeable to me. Especially since they're both mid/long range rifles, and blasting at maximum RPM is just asking to not hit anything unless someone is up close, and you should be pulling out your Auto Revolver instead.

EDIT: You brought up the ACE21 and ACW-R, but that 15% translates into an extra 110RPM. That's a staggering difference between the two, as opposed to 224RPM vs 257RPM.

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 10:28am

Other than, you know, the big RoF difference of 257 and 225.

Not sure how you could possibly gloss over this fact. 14% doesn't seem like a lot? It is, though—it's the same as the difference between the ACE 21 and the ACW R


I don't mean to be a pedant, but "differences" can't be described as a single percentage, since you get different numbers depending on whether you calculate the percentage increase or percentage decrease.

But yeah, the difference in close quarters is actually very noticeable between the two rifles, despite the mere difference of 33 RPM. To put it into some context, the Selbstlader is out TTKd by every LMG in close-quarters. Whereas the Mondragon can out-damage the Benet Mercie, Huot, Lewis Gun and even the MG15 up close.

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 2:30pm

I was talking about a functional difference (a "disparity"), not a mathematical difference.

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 3:38pm

It would make the Mondragon play even more like the DMRs from BF4. I would like to use it, as I find the 10 rounds to be a bit short for me.

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 4:35pm

Thematically it would be cool but a 32 round Mondragon would be absurd and would make the 1916 even more useless. Though I must say, the factory 1916 is pretty handy on attacking open maps on Rush, particularly dealing with snipers.

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Tuesday, June 13th 2017, 8:52pm

I completely forgot about the extra 33RPM, but it just shows how that extra RPM is hardly anything noticeable to me. Especially since they're both mid/long range rifles, and blasting at maximum RPM is just asking to not hit anything unless someone is up close, and you should be pulling out your Auto Revolver instead.

EDIT: You brought up the ACE21 and ACW-R, but that 15% translates into an extra 110RPM. That's a staggering difference between the two, as opposed to 224RPM vs 257RPM.


No, it doesn't not show that the extra RoF is "not noticeable". It just shows that you are not perceptive enough to appreciate it. The most important distinction is that the Mondragón can shoot with 0 SIPS at 225RPM, whereas the 1916 gets progressively more inaccurate at that range.

15% is a big deal be it between 224 and 257, or between 770 and 880. I cannot believe that I actually have to explain this shit.

Consider this difference between 1RPM and 25RPM. That's a huge disparity, but the difference is only 24RPM. 25RPM is a usable Bolt Action; 1RPM is a shot every 60 seconds. The difference between 975 and 1000RPM? None, functionally.

It's almost like, as numbers get smaller, differences between them matter more.

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"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

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"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

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