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Sunday, June 4th 2017, 11:03pm

My love hate relationship with the MP18

So I understand there is a definite mp18 fan club within the symthic community but Ive been iffy about the gun. To me. It just feels like a "meh" gun.

The automatico trench, though has more recoil compared to the mp18 trench, just doesnt feel like the recoil is that much more than the mp18 especially considering how much faster the automatico fires.

The automatico trench, despite having a much faster rate of fire, has the same spread statistics as the slow firing mp18 trench while hipfiring. The only saving grace seems to be the 7 extra bullets in the mag and the somewhat better range past 12M. Again, is what makes the gun feel like a bastard child gun that performs "meh" where the other guns are lacking

The hellriegel again: Faster ROF, Less V recoil, much larger mag, larger ammo reserve whereas the mp18 has somewhat less spread, slightly less 1st shot recoil and H recoil, and slightly better handling (deploy time and slightly better reload)

Maybe I am missing something here or viewing from a pessimistic light. I know in a thread I just looked at a bit ago, A chart was linked showing the mp18 being the "best performing" SMG out there but Im highly skeptical on how the charts came to that conclusion
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Sunday, June 4th 2017, 11:43pm

Hellbagel has no Trench variant, MP18 does.

Automatico Trench has a harder time killing full HP targets past 20m. MP18 Trench laughs at that and continues to kill at that distance and slightly beyond with ADS.

I can definitely see where you're coming from, since the MP18 has the lowest ROF of all SMGs and therefore one of the lowest TTK in the standard Assault operating range (<30m). But the MP18 gives up lightning fast killing power up close for a bit more versatility at range, while still retaining great hipfire accuracy.

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Monday, June 5th 2017, 2:34am

Automatico kills past 20 meters too.
Yeah Mp18 trench is good too.
Other than that Slug is best.

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Monday, June 5th 2017, 7:52am

Automatico kills past 20 meters too.
Automatico Trench has a harder time killing full HP targets past 20m. MP18 Trench laughs at that and continues to kill at that distance and slightly beyond with ADS.

You are going to have to burst with the Automatico at longer ranges to kill people whether hipfiring or ADS. Bursting cuts down your TTK, and it's going to be more difficult than just ADS magdumping with a 1.0x MP18 Trench.

Slugs aren't really worth the trouble, and never were since BF4. It operates on the same principle as the other A-10 Variants; kill in the first shot or be murdered. Guess what's going to happen if you hit someone in the forearms up close, and the gut/arms past 12m? A whole lot of skill req for something that's much less easier to use than say, BF3 870MCS/SPAS-12 Slugs

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Monday, June 5th 2017, 5:19pm

Automatico fac > automatico trench.

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Monday, June 5th 2017, 10:48pm

Personally don't find much use for the automatico as the MP18 is far more controllable, particularly with micro burst headshots. Getting the correct rhythm with the experimental and also headshotting is absurdly effective.

If I want to maximize my close range DPS, I go with a shotgun, usually the 12G Backbored or Sjogren. The 12G in particular is my hard counter to automatico ADAD spam, as is the Auto .35 Factory.

The Automatico Factory is quite fun to burst with but I honestly would just use the MP18 as I find it awkward to 2-3 round burst a 900RPM gun

I quite enjoy the hellriegel though as its large mag and decent spread accuracy when bursted is handy in maps such as Amiens. The Defensive variant is also quite fun to run with in maps with long corridors.

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Monday, June 5th 2017, 11:49pm

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Given how many times the word "burst" appears in your post, I'm not surprised you prefer the ranged SMGs. :D
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Tuesday, June 6th 2017, 12:02am

So I understand there is a definite mp18 fan club within the symthic community but Ive been iffy about the gun. To me. It just feels like a "meh" gun.

The automatico trench, though has more recoil compared to the mp18 trench, just doesnt feel like the recoil is that much more than the mp18 especially considering how much faster the automatico fires.

The automatico trench, despite having a much faster rate of fire, has the same spread statistics as the slow firing mp18 trench while hipfiring. The only saving grace seems to be the 7 extra bullets in the mag and the somewhat better range past 12M. Again, is what makes the gun feel like a bastard child gun that performs "meh" where the other guns are lacking

The hellriegel again: Faster ROF, Less V recoil, much larger mag, larger ammo reserve whereas the mp18 has somewhat less spread, slightly less 1st shot recoil and H recoil, and slightly better handling (deploy time and slightly better reload)

Maybe I am missing something here or viewing from a pessimistic light. I know in a thread I just looked at a bit ago, A chart was linked showing the mp18 being the "best performing" SMG out there but Im highly skeptical on how the charts came to that conclusion
Pretty much it's the consistency of the MP18 that keeps me coming back. Yes you will have a few situations where an Automatico may kill you beyond 20m, but on average you should should be able to kill them or at least have a far easier time killing them at that range than they will of you. As for the Hellriegel, It's a good gun and I can see why some people use it. I honestly think it gives up too much to do the same thing the MP18 does. The hipfire for me at least makes up for any shortcoming the Hellriegel has over it.

I get the impression from your post the ttk in close quarters seems to be the main sticking point. Have you considered running a revolver like the No.3 or the Gasser? Granted they wont win all CQB engagements but they cover the CQB ttk that the MP18 can lack.

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Tuesday, June 6th 2017, 2:23am

If you use a revolver with Assault, you go with the Gasser. The No. 3 is all-kit for a reason; it's garbage in comparison.
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho


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Tuesday, June 6th 2017, 4:45am

The mp18 seems like it's left over from the early days of development, when the focus was on creating skillgap by rewarding the discipline to properly pace out burst to fully recover spread. But the design switched to staying at specfic ranges and the automatico was introduced to dominate everything at CQC. Now it is just the long ranged SMG that will still beat the other classes at CQC, but not by much if they're using their respective CQC guns.

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