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Tuesday, September 26th 2017, 4:38pm

Also, remember that there seem to be two "factory" variants (NOT including the bastard Luger). Note the higher standing spread but lower moving spread. The Avtomat shares this characteristic.
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Tuesday, September 26th 2017, 11:40pm

Also, remember that there seem to be two "factory" variants (NOT including the bastard Luger). Note the higher standing spread but lower moving spread. The Avtomat shares this characteristic.

It is known that there are different "types" of weapon, even in the same class. One is more "accurate" in ADS - Not Moving, while the other is more "handy" and so are better in ADS - Moving and Hipfire. Much like the "Standard" and "Bullpup" differentiator in BF4. That is the base stats, and then the "variants" go on top of that.

So, for the Medic Self-Loading Rifles: "Standard" are General Liu, Selbstlader 1906, Selbstlader M1916, Mondragon, and RSC 1917. "Bullpup" are Cei-Rigotti, Fedorov Avtomat, Autoloading 8, and M1907 SL.

A similar differentiator exists for Support LMGs: "Belt-Fed" with even better ADS - Not Moving but even worse ADS - Moving and Hipfire, being MG15 N.A., Parabellum MG14 and Perino Model 1908. "Standard" are M1909 Benet-Mercie and Lewis Gun. "Bullpup" are BAR 1918, Chauchat and Madsen MG. The Huot breaks the mold by having "Belt-Fed" ADS - Not Moving but since it escaped the recent LMG Hipfire nerf, it now has "Bullpup" Hipfire.

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Wednesday, September 27th 2017, 3:27pm

Also, remember that there seem to be two "factory" variants (NOT including the bastard Luger). Note the higher standing spread but lower moving spread. The Avtomat shares this characteristic.

It is known that there are different "types" of weapon, even in the same class. One is more "accurate" in ADS - Not Moving, while the other is more "handy" and so are better in ADS - Moving and Hipfire. Much like the "Standard" and "Bullpup" differentiator in BF4. That is the base stats, and then the "variants" go on top of that.

So, for the Medic Self-Loading Rifles: "Standard" are General Liu, Selbstlader 1906, Selbstlader M1916, Mondragon, and RSC 1917. "Bullpup" are Cei-Rigotti, Fedorov Avtomat, Autoloading 8, and M1907 SL.

A similar differentiator exists for Support LMGs: "Belt-Fed" with even better ADS - Not Moving but even worse ADS - Moving and Hipfire, being MG15 N.A., Parabellum MG14 and Perino Model 1908. "Standard" are M1909 Benet-Mercie and Lewis Gun. "Bullpup" are BAR 1918, Chauchat and Madsen MG. The Huot breaks the mold by having "Belt-Fed" ADS - Not Moving but since it escaped the recent LMG Hipfire nerf, it now has "Bullpup" Hipfire.

Btw what happend to your PTFO rating? the close range set rating.

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Yesterday, 3:35am

Original Post and then subsequent posts updated with DLC3 data.
Hipfire (both moving and not moving) - Assault and Trench shines here.
ADS Moving - Realm of the Optical.
ADS Not Moving - Suitable for Telescopic, Marksman and Sniper variants.

Of note, the C96 Trench, instead of following the traditional Assault Primary Trench Variant pattern of having 1x SIPS in Hipfire, and then a big number say 4x for MP 18 or 6x for Automatico for ADS.... The C96 Trench uses 1x for ADS and then 1/6 (0.167) for Hipfire. This results in it having similar performance as the MP 18 and Automatico Trench variants in Hipfire, while not having any downside in ADS.

Of another note, the Maschinenpistole M1912 has 1x SIPS in both Hipfire and ADS, as pointed out by Shalan:
Interesting how the Maschinenpistole M1912 has no FSRM or FSSM.

With it, if you can click fast enough... say ~438RPM... you can perform the same as even the Auto-8 .35 Factory... and Madsen MG non-bipod (Storm or Trench)... at 125m ADS Not Moving(!). I estimate that at that range, you can down 2x 100hp targets in 4.383333333s, which is not bad at all... if it were not a "Machine Pistol." Since it is, this versatility is kinda ridiculous. Of course, it absolutely shreds everything up to 25m, no matter the stance.

Only the further Model 1900 buffs allowed the double-barreled shotty to stay in front. Otherwise the P.16 would be king.

For the other DLC3 additions:

Farquhar-Hill - I mirror MarbleDuck's sentiment that you might as well use the Mondragon. If you REALLY need the capacity, you're better off with the Federov at closer range and... dare I say... M1916... at longer range. *edited to add* It's still not bad, though, so you can definitely "do work" with it. I do intend to use the Storm to eventually unlock the Optical, but from what I can tell right now, Storm > Optical. Its "ghost ring" Iron Sights is pretty good, while its base Spread is pretty good for its damage model.
Carcano Trench - Within 47m, don't you want the Russian 1895 Trench? Beyond, or even just overall, don't you want the M.95 Carbine? I have no practical experience with any of this, but that's my feeling.
Type 38 - Like all Scout Rifles with Sweetspots, it's pretty good within its sweetspot and merely "okay" outside. I ranked it right dab in the middle.
M1917 - Did you know that it is 103lbs? Somehow I think its Hipfire spreads are not bad enough :P Keep in mind that this is only simulating to kill 2x 100hp targets, so the M1917 (and also Perino) perhaps do not shine. At least there is a proper Telescopic instead of that Defensive rubbish.

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"Bestgun," considering all classes and all stances: Primary - Model 1900 Factory (DLC2) , Secondary - Taschenpistole M1914
Assault Class: Primary - Model 1900 Factory (DLC2) , Secondary - 1903 Hammerless
Medic Class: Primary - Selbstlader 1906 Factory , Secondary - Taschenpistole M1914
Scout Class: Primary - M1903 Experimental , Secondary - Frommer Stop
Support Class: Primary - BAR 1918 Trench, Secondary - Beretta M1915

All Stances


All Classes


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  3. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  4. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  5. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  6. BAR 1918 Trench
  7. BAR 1918 Storm
  8. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  9. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  10. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  11. Madsen MG Trench
  12. Automatico M1918 Trench
  13. Huot Automatic Optical
  14. Madsen MG Storm
  15. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  16. Madsen MG Low Weight
  17. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  18. MP 18 Trench
  19. MP 18 Experimental
  20. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  21. MP 18 Optical
  22. Automatico M1918 Factory
  23. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  24. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  25. Lewis Gun Optical
  26. M1903 Experimental
  27. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  28. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  29. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  30. Automatico M1918 Storm
  31. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  32. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  33. 12g Automatic Backbored
  34. 12g Automatic Hunter
  35. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  36. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  37. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  38. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  39. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  40. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  41. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  42. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  43. M1907 SL Trench
  44. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  45. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  46. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  47. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  48. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  49. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  50. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  51. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  52. M1907 SL Sweeper
  53. 12g Automatic Extended
  54. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  55. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  56. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  57. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  58. M1907 SL Factory
  59. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  60. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  61. Russian 1895 Infantry
  62. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  63. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  64. Mondragon Storm
  65. Russian 1895 Sniper
  66. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  67. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  68. MG15 N.A. Storm
  69. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  70. M1903 Sniper
  71. Mondragon Optical
  72. Taschenpistole M1914
  73. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  74. Frommer Stop
  75. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  76. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  77. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  78. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  79. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  80. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  81. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  82. M1903 Marksman
  83. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  84. 1903 Hammerless
  85. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  86. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  87. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  88. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  89. Beretta M1915
  90. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  91. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  92. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  93. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  94. Mondragon Sniper
  95. Steyr M1912
  96. Borchard C93
  97. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  98. MG15 N.A. Suppressive
  99. Mle M1903
  100. Russian 1895 Trench
  101. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  102. Mars Automatic Pistol
  103. M1911
  104. Mauser C96
  105. Model 10-A Slug
  106. P08 Pistol
  107. Bulldog
  108. Model 10-A Factory
  109. Model 10-A Hunter
  110. Bodeo 1889
  111. Howdah Pistol
  112. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  113. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  114. No. 3 Revolver
  115. Auto revolver
  116. Gasser M1870
  117. Martini-Henry Infantry
  118. Martini-Henry Sniper


Primaries Only


  1. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  3. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  4. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  5. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  6. BAR 1918 Trench
  7. BAR 1918 Storm
  8. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  9. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  10. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  11. Madsen MG Trench
  12. Automatico M1918 Trench
  13. Huot Automatic Optical
  14. Madsen MG Storm
  15. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  16. Madsen MG Low Weight
  17. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  18. MP 18 Trench
  19. MP 18 Experimental
  20. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  21. MP 18 Optical
  22. Automatico M1918 Factory
  23. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  24. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  25. Lewis Gun Optical
  26. M1903 Experimental
  27. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  28. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  29. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  30. Automatico M1918 Storm
  31. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  32. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  33. 12g Automatic Backbored
  34. 12g Automatic Hunter
  35. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  36. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  37. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  38. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  39. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  40. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  41. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  42. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  43. M1907 SL Trench
  44. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  45. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  46. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  47. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  48. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  49. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  50. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  51. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  52. M1907 SL Sweeper
  53. 12g Automatic Extended
  54. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  55. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  56. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  57. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  58. M1907 SL Factory
  59. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  60. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  61. Russian 1895 Infantry
  62. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  63. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  64. Mondragon Storm
  65. Russian 1895 Sniper
  66. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  67. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  68. MG15 N.A. Storm
  69. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  70. M1903 Sniper
  71. Mondragon Optical
  72. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  73. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  74. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  75. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  76. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  77. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  78. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  79. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  80. M1903 Marksman
  81. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  82. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  83. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  84. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  85. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  86. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  87. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  88. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  89. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  90. Mondragon Sniper
  91. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  92. MG15 N.A. Suppressive
  93. Russian 1895 Trench
  94. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  95. Model 10-A Slug
  96. Model 10-A Factory
  97. Model 10-A Hunter
  98. Martini-Henry Infantry
  99. Martini-Henry Sniper


Secondaries Only


  1. Taschenpistole M1914
  2. Frommer Stop
  3. 1903 Hammerless
  4. Beretta M1915
  5. Steyr M1912
  6. Borchard C93
  7. Mle M1903
  8. Mars Automatic Pistol
  9. M1911
  10. Mauser C96
  11. P08 Pistol
  12. Bulldog
  13. Bodeo 1889
  14. Howdah Pistol
  15. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  16. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  17. No. 3 Revolver
  18. Auto revolver
  19. Gasser M1870



Assault Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  3. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  4. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  5. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  6. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  7. Automatico M1918 Trench
  8. MP 18 Trench
  9. MP 18 Experimental
  10. MP 18 Optical
  11. Automatico M1918 Factory
  12. Automatico M1918 Storm
  13. 12g Automatic Backbored
  14. 12g Automatic Hunter
  15. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  16. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  17. 12g Automatic Extended
  18. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  19. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  20. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  21. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  22. 1903 Hammerless
  23. Borchard C93
  24. Mle M1903
  25. M1911
  26. Model 10-A Slug
  27. P08 Pistol
  28. Model 10-A Factory
  29. Model 10-A Hunter
  30. Howdah Pistol
  31. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  32. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  33. No. 3 Revolver
  34. Gasser M1870


Primaries Only


  1. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  3. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  4. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  5. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  6. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  7. Automatico M1918 Trench
  8. MP 18 Trench
  9. MP 18 Experimental
  10. MP 18 Optical
  11. Automatico M1918 Factory
  12. Automatico M1918 Storm
  13. 12g Automatic Backbored
  14. 12g Automatic Hunter
  15. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  16. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  17. 12g Automatic Extended
  18. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  19. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  20. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  21. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  22. Model 10-A Slug
  23. Model 10-A Factory
  24. Model 10-A Hunter


Secondaries Only


  1. 1903 Hammerless
  2. Borchard C93
  3. Mle M1903
  4. M1911
  5. P08 Pistol
  6. Howdah Pistol
  7. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  8. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  9. No. 3 Revolver
  10. Gasser M1870



Medic Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  2. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  3. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  4. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  5. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  6. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  7. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  8. M1907 SL Trench
  9. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  10. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  11. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  12. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  13. M1907 SL Sweeper
  14. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  15. M1907 SL Factory
  16. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  17. Mondragon Storm
  18. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  19. Mondragon Optical
  20. Taschenpistole M1914
  21. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  22. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  23. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  24. Mondragon Sniper
  25. Borchard C93
  26. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  27. Mle M1903
  28. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  29. M1911
  30. Mauser C96
  31. P08 Pistol
  32. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  33. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  34. No. 3 Revolver
  35. Auto revolver


Primaries Only


  1. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  2. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  3. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  4. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  5. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  6. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  7. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  8. M1907 SL Trench
  9. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  10. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  11. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  12. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  13. M1907 SL Sweeper
  14. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  15. M1907 SL Factory
  16. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  17. Mondragon Storm
  18. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  19. Mondragon Optical
  20. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  21. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  22. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  23. Mondragon Sniper
  24. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  25. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)


Secondaries Only


  1. Taschenpistole M1914
  2. Borchard C93
  3. Mle M1903
  4. M1911
  5. Mauser C96
  6. P08 Pistol
  7. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  8. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  9. No. 3 Revolver
  10. Auto revolver



Scout Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. M1903 Experimental
  2. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  3. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  4. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  5. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  6. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  7. Russian 1895 Infantry
  8. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  9. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  10. Russian 1895 Sniper
  11. M1903 Sniper
  12. Frommer Stop
  13. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  14. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  15. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  16. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  17. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  18. M1903 Marksman
  19. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  20. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  21. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  22. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  23. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  24. Borchard C93
  25. Mle M1903
  26. Russian 1895 Trench
  27. Mars Automatic Pistol
  28. M1911
  29. P08 Pistol
  30. Bodeo 1889
  31. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  32. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  33. No. 3 Revolver
  34. Martini-Henry Infantry
  35. Martini-Henry Sniper


Primaries Only


  1. M1903 Experimental
  2. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  3. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  4. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  5. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  6. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  7. Russian 1895 Infantry
  8. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  9. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  10. Russian 1895 Sniper
  11. M1903 Sniper
  12. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  13. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  14. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  15. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  16. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  17. M1903 Marksman
  18. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  19. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  20. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  21. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  22. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  23. Russian 1895 Trench
  24. Martini-Henry Infantry
  25. Martini-Henry Sniper


Secondaries Only


  1. Frommer Stop
  2. Borchard C93
  3. Mle M1903
  4. Mars Automatic Pistol
  5. M1911
  6. P08 Pistol
  7. Bodeo 1889
  8. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  9. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  10. No. 3 Revolver



Support Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. BAR 1918 Trench
  2. BAR 1918 Storm
  3. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  4. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  5. Madsen MG Trench
  6. Huot Automatic Optical
  7. Madsen MG Storm
  8. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  9. Madsen MG Low Weight
  10. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  11. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  12. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  13. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  14. Lewis Gun Optical
  15. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  16. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  17. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  18. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  19. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  20. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  21. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  22. MG15 N.A. Storm
  23. Beretta M1915
  24. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  25. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  26. Steyr M1912
  27. Borchard C93
  28. MG15 N.A. Suppressive
  29. Mle M1903
  30. M1911
  31. P08 Pistol
  32. Bulldog
  33. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  34. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  35. No. 3 Revolver


Primaries Only


  1. BAR 1918 Trench
  2. BAR 1918 Storm
  3. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  4. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  5. Madsen MG Trench
  6. Huot Automatic Optical
  7. Madsen MG Storm
  8. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  9. Madsen MG Low Weight
  10. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  11. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  12. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  13. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  14. Lewis Gun Optical
  15. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  16. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  17. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  18. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  19. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  20. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  21. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  22. MG15 N.A. Storm
  23. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  24. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  25. MG15 N.A. Suppressive


Secondaries Only


  1. Beretta M1915
  2. Steyr M1912
  3. Borchard C93
  4. Mle M1903
  5. M1911
  6. P08 Pistol
  7. Bulldog
  8. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  9. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  10. No. 3 Revolver



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Farquhar-Hill - I mirror MarbleDuck's sentiment that you might as well use the Mondragon. If you REALLY need the capacity, you're better off with the Federov at closer range and... dare I say... M1916... at longer range. *edited to add* It's still not bad, though, so you can definitely "do work" with it. I do intend to use the Storm to eventually unlock the Optical, but from what I can tell right now, Storm > Optical. Its "ghost ring" Iron Sights is pretty good, while its base Spread is pretty good for its damage model.
Carcano Trench - Within 47m, don't you want the Russian 1895 Trench? Beyond, or even just overall, don't you want the M.95 Carbine? I have no practical experience with any of this, but that's my feeling.
Type 38 - Like all Scout Rifles with Sweetspots, it's pretty good within its sweetspot and merely "okay" outside. I ranked it right dab in the middle.
M1917 - Did you know that it is 103lbs? Somehow I think its Hipfire spreads are not bad enough Keep in mind that this is only simulating to kill 2x 100hp targets, so the M1917 (and also Perino) perhaps do not shine. At least there is a proper Telescopic instead of that Defensive rubbish.



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Going to have to respectfully disagree with both of you. F-H Optical is like running a Mondragon Storm recoil package with the Mondragon Optical spread characteristics, plus an Extended variant with a single reload mechanic. This thing even has less recoil than the C-R with a better damage model. I used to main the Mondragon Optical; F-H Optical has replaced it.

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M1917 - Did you know that it is 103lbs?


False. That's the weight all setup on its massive stationary tripod.

Sounds like the P16 gets all the benefits of a Storm gun while maintaining the Factory-like ability to burst quickly thanks to its lack of first-shot stuff, I'll have to practice with that.
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Farquhar-Hill - I mirror MarbleDuck's sentiment that you might as well use the Mondragon. If you REALLY need the capacity, you're better off with the Federov at closer range and... dare I say... M1916... at longer range. *edited to add* It's still not bad, though, so you can definitely "do work" with it. I do intend to use the Storm to eventually unlock the Optical, but from what I can tell right now, Storm > Optical. Its "ghost ring" Iron Sights is pretty good, while its base Spread is pretty good for its damage model.
Carcano Trench - Within 47m, don't you want the Russian 1895 Trench? Beyond, or even just overall, don't you want the M.95 Carbine? I have no practical experience with any of this, but that's my feeling.
Type 38 - Like all Scout Rifles with Sweetspots, it's pretty good within its sweetspot and merely "okay" outside. I ranked it right dab in the middle.
M1917 - Did you know that it is 103lbs? Somehow I think its Hipfire spreads are not bad enough Keep in mind that this is only simulating to kill 2x 100hp targets, so the M1917 (and also Perino) perhaps do not shine. At least there is a proper Telescopic instead of that Defensive rubbish.



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Going to have to respectfully disagree with both of you. F-H Optical is like running a Mondragon Storm recoil package with the Mondragon Optical spread characteristics, plus an Extended variant with a single reload mechanic. This thing even has less recoil than the C-R with a better damage model. I used to main the Mondragon Optical; F-H Optical has replaced it.

I agree with you as well. For me the F-H Optical is the best overall SLR in the game atm, due to 20 round mag, good sips, good dmg , decent ttk.

It is in my opinion the most versatile SLR in the game. For Close Quarters you can use your Auto Revolver or Obrez.
Almost have 1k kills with it already, have played with it on Achi Baba a lot and on Argonne Forest Frontlines.

For close quarters the Fedorov Optical still seems the best, 25. Extended dmg drop off after 17 meters is just too much imo.
Before this I was pretty much using the Fedorov Optical on every Frontline map , other than Monte Grappa. Now I am playing only with the F-H Optical on every single Frontline maps and on Achi Baba.
When I first started playing with this SLR it felt like the most Amazing Gun that I have ever used in BF1.