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Thursday, February 22nd 2018, 2:01pm

These are fine points @Veritable, but I think these are negligible.

If you don’t spam and fire at min spread, they have exactly the same 100% hit rate - in fact, the lower HRec of the Howell may have a slightly better hit rate. There is possibly a 5m window where the F-H Optical is better. Yes the SIPS both got halved, but now the absolutely difference is smaller in practice, since both have excellent hit rates within their 3BTK range.

There are much more effective 80-100+ m weapons. The place where the F-H is better is well outside their optimal and intended range.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2018, 5:48pm

Perhaps, but....
25 Hipfire Not Moving stances, 1m to 25m, 1m increments. 25 Hipfire Moving stances, 0.5m to 12.5m, 0.5m increments. 25 ADS Moving stances, 3m to 75m, 3m increments. 25 ADS Not Moving stances, 5m to 125m, 5m increments. Total stances 100. Average distance 32.5m.

...and...
Burst Length differs per stance, where the shooter shoots until Hitrate drops below 25%, then stops to recover Spread, before repeating.

...so they matter in this thread, as the methodology has not changed, since the first post.

I know you do your's in a different way, and that is perfectly fine. What I tried to find out here are, to take a couple of extreme examples....

- I'm a Medic or Support, I'm advancing on and objective, and I'm 100m away. I see a scope glint from the objective, and then the *crack* of a near-miss from a Scout Single-Action Rifle. Do I stop and engage? Or do I zig-zag and attempt to close the distance?
(What I got: If I have the BAR 1918 Telescopic , M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic , Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman , Huot Automatic Optical , Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) , M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical , or Selbstlader M1916 Marksman ... listed in order of effectiveness... then I engage. He has the advantage but I have a decent chance. If I have anything else, I do not think about it.)

- I'm a Support with the BAR 1918 Telescopic , and I know that there is an Assault in that building. He killed a couple of my teammates already, so from the kill feed I can see what he is using. Do I rely on my Hipfire to go in after him? Or do I stand-off and Limpet / Crossbow Grenade the building?
(What I got: Pretty much only if he has the Hellriegel 1915 Defensive ... up to Model 10-A Slug if you think he will miss his first slug. Otherwise, heck no, I'm staying out here and taking the building down!)

Yes I realise that I am taking some of these weapons out of their comfort zones. In the chaos of Battlefield though, they do get used in all manner of engagements against a variety of opponents. So, I wanted to find out here, perhaps learn the strengths and weaknesses, before finding out for real in the game.

Also, since all guns get subjected to the same scenarios, with the average working out to be 32.5m, things should balance out. I know some disagree, but these pass my "smell test" of my own usage and what I observe from the engagement results in the BF1 rounds I play.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2018, 11:28pm

At least his methodology takes hold in reality and not in fiction. You have some weapons that are where they are like the 1900 SLUG. But stuff like 1903 exp being nr 1 sniper, or hellriegel being the worst smg. His methodology makes much more sense.

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Friday, February 23rd 2018, 12:20am

But stuff like 1903 exp being nr 1 sniper

Actually, the #1 "Sniper," doing the "sniper stuff" of ADS - Not Moving from 5m to 125m, is the Gewehr 98 Sniper . I said as much here: Ranking Everything in BF1 Redux
or hellriegel being the worst smg.

...you mean it is not the worst SMG? I thought that is fairly uncontroversial....

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs C96 Trench | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Hellriegel 1915 Factory achieves 1v2 ~4.36% faster, while C96 Trench (DLC3) is ~21.14% more easier to use.
My winner: C96 Trench (DLC3)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs MP 18 Experimental | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
MP 18 Experimental achieves 1v2 ~4.36% faster, and is also ~11.18% more easier to use.
My winner: MP 18 Experimental

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Automatico M1918 Trench | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Automatico M1918 Trench achieves 1v2 ~13.10% faster, and is also ~2.14% more easier to use.
My winner: Automatico M1918 Trench

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs MP 18 Trench | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
MP 18 Trench achieves 1v2 ~6.05% faster, and is also ~8.09% more easier to use.
My winner: MP 18 Trench

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs MP 18 Optical | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
MP 18 Optical achieves 1v2 ~4.06% faster, and is also ~9.02% more easier to use.
My winner: MP 18 Optical

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Automatico M1918 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Automatico M1918 Factory achieves 1v2 ~8.90% faster, and is also ~3.79% more easier to use.
My winner: Automatico M1918 Factory

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs SMG 08-18 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic (I already updated my sheet with the latter as 770RPM)
SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2) achieves 1v2 ~9.32% faster, and is also ~0.29% more easier to use.
My winner: SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs SMG 08-18 Optical | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic (Again, 770RPM and corresponding Recoil already included)
SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2) achieves 1v2 ~9.98% faster, while Hellriegel 1915 Factory is ~1.85% more easier to use.
My winner: SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Hellriegel 1915 Factory achieves 1v2 ~0.16% faster, while Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1) is ~8.06% more easier to use.
My winner: Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Automatico M1918 Storm | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Automatico M1918 Storm achieves 1v2 ~3.98% faster, and is also ~3.14% more easier to use.
My winner: Automatico M1918 Storm

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Maschinenpistole M1912 | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3) achieves 1v2 ~9.52% faster, while Hellriegel 1915 Factory is ~2.78% more easier to use.
My winner: Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)

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Saturday, February 24th 2018, 4:46pm

Idk the experimental sucks, how you should be doing the ttk for scouts is a cross between 1 hit head shots and paired with 1 hit body shot to quick swap to pistol to finnish the kill. This is imho how the class is played and you will see any effective scout playing like this with the bolt actions.

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Wednesday, February 28th 2018, 1:11am

*Updated 2018/02/27 as of DLC4 - Apocalypse*

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"Bestgun," considering all classes and all stances: Primary - Model 1900 Slug (DLC2) , Secondary - Taschenpistole M1914
Assault Class: Primary - Model 1900 Slug (DLC2) , Secondary - 1903 Hammerless
Medic Class: Primary - Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman, Secondary - Taschenpistole M1914
Scout Class: Primary - M1903 Experimental , Secondary - Frommer Stop
Support Class: Primary - BAR 1918 Trench, Secondary - Beretta M1915

All Stances


All Classes


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  3. BAR 1918 Trench
  4. Madsen MG Trench
  5. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  6. BAR 1918 Storm
  7. Madsen MG Low Weight
  8. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  9. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  10. Automatico M1918 Trench
  11. MP 18 Experimental
  12. Madsen MG Storm
  13. Huot Automatic Optical
  14. MP 18 Trench
  15. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  16. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  17. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  18. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  19. MP 18 Optical
  20. Automatico M1918 Factory
  21. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  22. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  23. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  24. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  25. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  26. Lewis Gun Optical
  27. RSC SMG Factory (DLC4)
  28. M1903 Experimental
  29. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  30. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  31. RSC SMG Optical (DLC4)
  32. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  33. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  34. M1907 SL Trench
  35. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  36. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  37. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  38. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  39. Automatico M1918 Storm
  40. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  41. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  42. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  43. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  44. Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4)
  45. 12g Automatic Backbored
  46. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  47. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  48. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  49. 12g Automatic Hunter
  50. M1907 SL Factory
  51. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  52. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  53. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  54. M1907 SL Sweeper
  55. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  56. Mondragon Optical
  57. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  58. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  59. IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4)
  60. Mondragon Storm
  61. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  62. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  63. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  64. Howell Automatic Sniper (DLC4)
  65. 12g Automatic Extended
  66. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  67. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  68. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  69. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  70. Taschenpistole M1914
  71. Frommer Stop
  72. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  73. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  74. Mondragon Sniper
  75. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  76. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  77. 1903 Hammerless
  78. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  79. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  80. MG15 N.A. Storm
  81. Beretta M1915
  82. IMG 08-18 Suppressive (DLC4)
  83. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  84. Steyr M1912
  85. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  86. Borchard C93
  87. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  88. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  89. Russian 1895 Infantry
  90. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  91. Mle M1903
  92. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  93. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  94. Model 10-A Slug
  95. M1917 Enfield Infantry (DLC4)
  96. Mars Automatic Pistol
  97. MG15 N.A. Suppressive
  98. Russian 1895 Sniper
  99. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  100. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  101. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  102. Mauser C96
  103. M1911
  104. M1903 Sniper
  105. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  106. P08 Pistol
  107. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  108. Russian 1895 Trench
  109. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  110. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  111. Ross MkIII (DLC4)
  112. M1903 Marksman
  113. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  114. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  115. Bulldog
  116. Model 10-A Factory
  117. Bodeo 1889
  118. Model 10-A Hunter
  119. Howdah Pistol
  120. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  121. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  122. No. 3 Revolver
  123. Auto revolver
  124. Gasser M1870
  125. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)
  126. Martini-Henry Infantry
  127. Martini-Henry Sniper


Primaries Only


  1. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  3. BAR 1918 Trench
  4. Madsen MG Trench
  5. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  6. BAR 1918 Storm
  7. Madsen MG Low Weight
  8. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  9. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  10. Automatico M1918 Trench
  11. MP 18 Experimental
  12. Madsen MG Storm
  13. Huot Automatic Optical
  14. MP 18 Trench
  15. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  16. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  17. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  18. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  19. MP 18 Optical
  20. Automatico M1918 Factory
  21. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  22. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  23. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  24. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  25. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  26. Lewis Gun Optical
  27. RSC SMG Factory (DLC4)
  28. M1903 Experimental
  29. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  30. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  31. RSC SMG Optical (DLC4)
  32. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  33. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  34. M1907 SL Trench
  35. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  36. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  37. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  38. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  39. Automatico M1918 Storm
  40. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  41. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  42. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  43. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  44. Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4)
  45. 12g Automatic Backbored
  46. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  47. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  48. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  49. 12g Automatic Hunter
  50. M1907 SL Factory
  51. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  52. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  53. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  54. M1907 SL Sweeper
  55. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  56. Mondragon Optical
  57. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  58. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  59. IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4)
  60. Mondragon Storm
  61. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  62. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  63. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  64. Howell Automatic Sniper (DLC4)
  65. 12g Automatic Extended
  66. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  67. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  68. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  69. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  70. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  71. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  72. Mondragon Sniper
  73. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  74. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  75. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  76. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  77. MG15 N.A. Storm
  78. IMG 08-18 Suppressive (DLC4)
  79. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  80. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  81. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  82. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  83. Russian 1895 Infantry
  84. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  85. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  86. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  87. Model 10-A Slug
  88. M1917 Enfield Infantry (DLC4)
  89. MG15 N.A. Suppressive
  90. Russian 1895 Sniper
  91. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  92. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  93. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  94. M1903 Sniper
  95. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  96. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  97. Russian 1895 Trench
  98. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  99. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  100. Ross MkIII (DLC4)
  101. M1903 Marksman
  102. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  103. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  104. Model 10-A Factory
  105. Model 10-A Hunter
  106. Martini-Henry Infantry
  107. Martini-Henry Sniper


Secondaries Only


  1. Taschenpistole M1914
  2. Frommer Stop
  3. 1903 Hammerless
  4. Beretta M1915
  5. Steyr M1912
  6. Borchard C93
  7. Mle M1903
  8. Mars Automatic Pistol
  9. Mauser C96
  10. M1911
  11. P08 Pistol
  12. Bulldog
  13. Bodeo 1889
  14. Howdah Pistol
  15. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  16. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  17. No. 3 Revolver
  18. Auto revolver
  19. Gasser M1870
  20. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)



Assault Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  3. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  4. Automatico M1918 Trench
  5. MP 18 Experimental
  6. MP 18 Trench
  7. MP 18 Optical
  8. Automatico M1918 Factory
  9. RSC SMG Factory (DLC4)
  10. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  11. RSC SMG Optical (DLC4)
  12. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  13. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  14. Automatico M1918 Storm
  15. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  16. 12g Automatic Backbored
  17. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  18. 12g Automatic Hunter
  19. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  20. 12g Automatic Extended
  21. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  22. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  23. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  24. 1903 Hammerless
  25. Borchard C93
  26. Mle M1903
  27. Model 10-A Slug
  28. M1911
  29. P08 Pistol
  30. Model 10-A Factory
  31. Model 10-A Hunter
  32. Howdah Pistol
  33. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  34. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  35. No. 3 Revolver
  36. Gasser M1870
  37. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)


Primaries Only


  1. Model 1900 Slug (DLC2)
  2. Model 1900 Factory (DLC2)
  3. C96 Trench (DLC3)
  4. Automatico M1918 Trench
  5. MP 18 Experimental
  6. MP 18 Trench
  7. MP 18 Optical
  8. Automatico M1918 Factory
  9. RSC SMG Factory (DLC4)
  10. SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)
  11. RSC SMG Optical (DLC4)
  12. SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)
  13. Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)
  14. Automatico M1918 Storm
  15. Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)
  16. 12g Automatic Backbored
  17. Sjögren Inertial Factory (DLC1)
  18. 12g Automatic Hunter
  19. Hellriegel 1915 Factory
  20. 12g Automatic Extended
  21. M97 Trench Gun Backbored
  22. Hellriegel 1915 Defensive
  23. M97 Trench Gun Hunter
  24. Model 10-A Slug
  25. Model 10-A Factory
  26. Model 10-A Hunter


Secondaries Only


  1. 1903 Hammerless
  2. Borchard C93
  3. Mle M1903
  4. M1911
  5. P08 Pistol
  6. Howdah Pistol
  7. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  8. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  9. No. 3 Revolver
  10. Gasser M1870
  11. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)



Medic Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  2. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  3. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  4. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  5. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  6. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  7. M1907 SL Trench
  8. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  9. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  10. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  11. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  12. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  13. Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4)
  14. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  15. M1907 SL Factory
  16. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  17. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  18. M1907 SL Sweeper
  19. Mondragon Optical
  20. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  21. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  22. Mondragon Storm
  23. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  24. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  25. Howell Automatic Sniper (DLC4)
  26. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  27. Taschenpistole M1914
  28. Mondragon Sniper
  29. Borchard C93
  30. Mle M1903
  31. Mauser C96
  32. M1911
  33. P08 Pistol
  34. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  35. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  36. No. 3 Revolver
  37. Auto revolver
  38. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)


Primaries Only


  1. Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman
  2. Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
  3. Selbstlader 1906 Factory
  4. Fedorov Avtomat Trench (DLC2)
  5. Fedorov Avtomat Optical (DLC2)
  6. Farquhar-Hill Storm (DLC3)
  7. M1907 SL Trench
  8. Farquhar-Hill Optical (DLC3)
  9. Autoloading 8 .25 Extended
  10. Selbstlader M1916 Optical
  11. Cei-Rigotti Trench
  12. Selbstlader 1906 Sniper
  13. Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4)
  14. Cei-Rigotti Optical
  15. M1907 SL Factory
  16. Selbstlader M1916 Factory
  17. Selbstlader M1916 Marksman
  18. M1907 SL Sweeper
  19. Mondragon Optical
  20. Cei-Rigotti Factory
  21. General Liu Rifle Storm (DLC2)
  22. Mondragon Storm
  23. RSC 1917 Optical (DLC1)
  24. General Liu Rifle Factory (DLC2)
  25. Howell Automatic Sniper (DLC4)
  26. RSC 1917 Factory (DLC1)
  27. Mondragon Sniper


Secondaries Only


  1. Taschenpistole M1914
  2. Borchard C93
  3. Mle M1903
  4. Mauser C96
  5. M1911
  6. P08 Pistol
  7. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  8. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  9. No. 3 Revolver
  10. Auto revolver
  11. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)



Scout Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. M1903 Experimental
  2. Frommer Stop
  3. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  4. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  5. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  6. Borchard C93
  7. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  8. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  9. Russian 1895 Infantry
  10. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  11. Mle M1903
  12. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  13. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  14. M1917 Enfield Infantry (DLC4)
  15. Mars Automatic Pistol
  16. Russian 1895 Sniper
  17. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  18. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  19. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  20. M1911
  21. M1903 Sniper
  22. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  23. P08 Pistol
  24. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  25. Russian 1895 Trench
  26. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  27. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  28. Ross MkIII (DLC4)
  29. M1903 Marksman
  30. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  31. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  32. Bodeo 1889
  33. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  34. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  35. No. 3 Revolver
  36. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)
  37. Martini-Henry Infantry
  38. Martini-Henry Sniper


Primaries Only


  1. M1903 Experimental
  2. SMLE MKIII Carbine
  3. Gewehr M.95 Carbine
  4. Gewehr 98 Infantry
  5. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Carbine (DLC2)
  6. Gewehr 98 Sniper
  7. Russian 1895 Infantry
  8. SMLE MKIII Infantry
  9. Carcano M91 (DLC3)
  10. Mosin-Nagant M91 Infantry (DLC2)
  11. M1917 Enfield Infantry (DLC4)
  12. Russian 1895 Sniper
  13. Gewehr 98 Marksman
  14. Gewehr M.95 Infantry
  15. Type 38 Arisaka (DLC3)
  16. M1903 Sniper
  17. Lebel Model 1886 Infantry (DLC1)
  18. SMLE MKIII Marksman
  19. Russian 1895 Trench
  20. Mosin-Nagant M91 Marksman (DLC2)
  21. Lebel Model 1886 Sniper (DLC1)
  22. Ross MkIII (DLC4)
  23. M1903 Marksman
  24. Vetterli-Vitali M1870 Infantry (DLC2)
  25. Gewehr M.95 Marksman
  26. Martini-Henry Infantry
  27. Martini-Henry Sniper


Secondaries Only


  1. Frommer Stop
  2. Borchard C93
  3. Mle M1903
  4. Mars Automatic Pistol
  5. M1911
  6. P08 Pistol
  7. Bodeo 1889
  8. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  9. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  10. No. 3 Revolver
  11. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)



Support Class


Primary + Secondary Combined


  1. BAR 1918 Trench
  2. Madsen MG Trench
  3. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  4. BAR 1918 Storm
  5. Madsen MG Low Weight
  6. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  7. Madsen MG Storm
  8. Huot Automatic Optical
  9. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  10. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  11. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  12. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  13. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  14. Lewis Gun Optical
  15. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  16. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  17. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  18. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  19. IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4)
  20. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  21. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  22. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  23. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  24. MG15 N.A. Storm
  25. Beretta M1915
  26. IMG 08-18 Suppressive (DLC4)
  27. Steyr M1912
  28. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  29. Borchard C93
  30. Mle M1903
  31. MG15 N.A. Suppressive
  32. M1911
  33. P08 Pistol
  34. Bulldog
  35. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  36. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  37. No. 3 Revolver
  38. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)


Primaries Only


  1. BAR 1918 Trench
  2. Madsen MG Trench
  3. BAR 1918 Telescopic
  4. BAR 1918 Storm
  5. Madsen MG Low Weight
  6. Chauchat Low Weight (DLC1)
  7. Madsen MG Storm
  8. Huot Automatic Optical
  9. Huot Automatic Low Weight
  10. Chauchat Telescopic (DLC1)
  11. M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical
  12. M1909 Benet-Mercie Storm
  13. Lewis Gun Low Weight
  14. Lewis Gun Optical
  15. M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic
  16. Lewis Gun Suppressive
  17. Perino Model 1908 Low Weight (DLC2)
  18. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2)
  19. IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4)
  20. Perino Model 1908 Defensive (DLC2)
  21. M1917 Low Weight (DLC3)
  22. MG15 N.A. Low Weight
  23. Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2)
  24. MG15 N.A. Storm
  25. IMG 08-18 Suppressive (DLC4)
  26. M1917 Telescopic (DLC3)
  27. MG15 N.A. Suppressive


Secondaries Only


  1. Beretta M1915
  2. Steyr M1912
  3. Borchard C93
  4. Mle M1903
  5. M1911
  6. P08 Pistol
  7. Bulldog
  8. Obrez Pistol (DLC2)
  9. Nagant Revolver (DLC2)
  10. No. 3 Revolver
  11. Revolver MkVI (DLC4)





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As InterimAegis pointed out, the Howell is currently hampered by having pre-TTK Patch values for Spread-related values.

When I plugged in the expected values, the Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4) improves from the current 55th to 44th overall, and 18th to 13th amongst Medic weapons. The Howell Automatic Sniper (DLC4) is unchanged.

So, my current take is that you should unlock the Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4), which is something you would just automatically do as a Medic anyways (requirement: 50 Medic kills and nothing else). However, once done, maybe still stay away until the hotfix drops. The only reason to use it now is to unlock the Howell Automatic Sniper (DLC4), and I just don't think that the Sniper is groundbreaking enough for you to bother.

Once the hotfix drops, though, the Howell Automatic Factory (DLC4) is one of the best Factory Medic, as the only one with Bipod (not simulated here but can be excellent if you make use of it... no downside anyways) and the (excellent) AA Sight.

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Wednesday, February 28th 2018, 1:57am

Nice!
Won’t lie, surprised to see the Parabellum LW rank ahead of the IMG 08/18 - curious for why?
It’s funny tho because I tried out the new LMG and was disappointed. Still loving the Huot!

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Wednesday, February 28th 2018, 3:09am

Won’t lie, surprised to see the Parabellum LW rank ahead of the IMG 08/18 - curious for why?

Parabellum MG14 Low Weight vs IMG 08-18 Low Weight | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
They are pretty well balanced against each other... since they both use the same Projectile, the stats seemed to be calculated from RPM.

I have the Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) achieve 1v2 2.57% faster than IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4). The former shoots slightly faster, but the latter is slightly more accurate within the burst.

You'd think that the IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4) can make that up with its Useability... and I thought so too... until Miffyli updated the BF1 Reload Mechanics. It's, um, about the worst in the game... it is only ahead of the gate-loading revolvers.

Firing Score differences: IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4) | 211.3589063 vs. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) | 224.2095861 = -12.8506798

Useability differences without Reloads: IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4) | 183.487414474 vs. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) | 169.888187171 = 13.599227303

Reload Score differences: IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4) | 21.31507174 vs. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) | 29.95833333 = -8.64326159

Adding everything together: IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4) | 416.1613925 vs. Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) | 424.0561066 = -7.8947141

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I unlocked it last night, and although I went like 24-3 with it in a one-battalion steamroll of Empire's Edge Operation, with 1.3 KpM, I can confirm that its Reload is TER-RI-BLE.

I will keep on using it as my "main" belt-fed LMG, though, because it is easy to unlock (just 50 Support kills with ANYTHING, even gadgets and grenades). Unlike the Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2), which I don't have, because I never managed to get the killing-shot on that 2nd plane... so that Assignment is still incomplete for me :(

I do have the Parabellum MG14 Suppressive (DLC2), but the IMG 08-18 Low Weight (DLC4) is ranked ahead of that, so the latter is an easy pick. That also means the IMG 08-18 Suppressive (DLC4), which I will unlock in due course, will be a "don't bother" for me.

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Wednesday, February 28th 2018, 6:22am

How is Automatico Trench the best of the SMGs? That whole family is mediocre/middling since the weapons re-balance.

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Wednesday, February 28th 2018, 8:21am

How is Automatico Trench the best of the SMGs? That whole family is mediocre/middling since the weapons re-balance.

Didn't they get a bit of a buff in Apocalypse?

Automatico M1918 Factory vs SMG 08-18 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

Also I look at Hipfire up to 25m, and up to that range I still have the Automatico M1918 Trench killing faster than any other Assault SMG. (Remember that the Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3) went down to 900RPM)

Finally, they've always have had ridiculously good Reloads since the very beginning.