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Thursday, February 22nd 2018, 2:01pm

These are fine points @Veritable, but I think these are negligible.

If you don’t spam and fire at min spread, they have exactly the same 100% hit rate - in fact, the lower HRec of the Howell may have a slightly better hit rate. There is possibly a 5m window where the F-H Optical is better. Yes the SIPS both got halved, but now the absolutely difference is smaller in practice, since both have excellent hit rates within their 3BTK range.

There are much more effective 80-100+ m weapons. The place where the F-H is better is well outside their optimal and intended range.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2018, 5:48pm

Perhaps, but....
25 Hipfire Not Moving stances, 1m to 25m, 1m increments. 25 Hipfire Moving stances, 0.5m to 12.5m, 0.5m increments. 25 ADS Moving stances, 3m to 75m, 3m increments. 25 ADS Not Moving stances, 5m to 125m, 5m increments. Total stances 100. Average distance 32.5m.

...and...
Burst Length differs per stance, where the shooter shoots until Hitrate drops below 25%, then stops to recover Spread, before repeating.

...so they matter in this thread, as the methodology has not changed, since the first post.

I know you do your's in a different way, and that is perfectly fine. What I tried to find out here are, to take a couple of extreme examples....

- I'm a Medic or Support, I'm advancing on and objective, and I'm 100m away. I see a scope glint from the objective, and then the *crack* of a near-miss from a Scout Single-Action Rifle. Do I stop and engage? Or do I zig-zag and attempt to close the distance?
(What I got: If I have the BAR 1918 Telescopic , M1909 Benet-Mercie Telescopic , Autoloading 8 .35 Marksman , Huot Automatic Optical , Parabellum MG14 Low Weight (DLC2) , M1909 Benet-Mercie Optical , or Selbstlader M1916 Marksman ... listed in order of effectiveness... then I engage. He has the advantage but I have a decent chance. If I have anything else, I do not think about it.)

- I'm a Support with the BAR 1918 Telescopic , and I know that there is an Assault in that building. He killed a couple of my teammates already, so from the kill feed I can see what he is using. Do I rely on my Hipfire to go in after him? Or do I stand-off and Limpet / Crossbow Grenade the building?
(What I got: Pretty much only if he has the Hellriegel 1915 Defensive ... up to Model 10-A Slug if you think he will miss his first slug. Otherwise, heck no, I'm staying out here and taking the building down!)

Yes I realise that I am taking some of these weapons out of their comfort zones. In the chaos of Battlefield though, they do get used in all manner of engagements against a variety of opponents. So, I wanted to find out here, perhaps learn the strengths and weaknesses, before finding out for real in the game.

Also, since all guns get subjected to the same scenarios, with the average working out to be 32.5m, things should balance out. I know some disagree, but these pass my "smell test" of my own usage and what I observe from the engagement results in the BF1 rounds I play.

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Thursday, February 22nd 2018, 11:28pm

At least his methodology takes hold in reality and not in fiction. You have some weapons that are where they are like the 1900 SLUG. But stuff like 1903 exp being nr 1 sniper, or hellriegel being the worst smg. His methodology makes much more sense.

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Friday, February 23rd 2018, 12:20am

But stuff like 1903 exp being nr 1 sniper

Actually, the #1 "Sniper," doing the "sniper stuff" of ADS - Not Moving from 5m to 125m, is the Gewehr 98 Sniper . I said as much here: Ranking Everything in BF1 Redux
or hellriegel being the worst smg.

...you mean it is not the worst SMG? I thought that is fairly uncontroversial....

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs C96 Trench | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Hellriegel 1915 Factory achieves 1v2 ~4.36% faster, while C96 Trench (DLC3) is ~21.14% more easier to use.
My winner: C96 Trench (DLC3)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs MP 18 Experimental | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
MP 18 Experimental achieves 1v2 ~4.36% faster, and is also ~11.18% more easier to use.
My winner: MP 18 Experimental

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Automatico M1918 Trench | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Automatico M1918 Trench achieves 1v2 ~13.10% faster, and is also ~2.14% more easier to use.
My winner: Automatico M1918 Trench

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs MP 18 Trench | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
MP 18 Trench achieves 1v2 ~6.05% faster, and is also ~8.09% more easier to use.
My winner: MP 18 Trench

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs MP 18 Optical | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
MP 18 Optical achieves 1v2 ~4.06% faster, and is also ~9.02% more easier to use.
My winner: MP 18 Optical

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Automatico M1918 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Automatico M1918 Factory achieves 1v2 ~8.90% faster, and is also ~3.79% more easier to use.
My winner: Automatico M1918 Factory

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs SMG 08-18 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic (I already updated my sheet with the latter as 770RPM)
SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2) achieves 1v2 ~9.32% faster, and is also ~0.29% more easier to use.
My winner: SMG 08-18 Factory (DLC2)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs SMG 08-18 Optical | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic (Again, 770RPM and corresponding Recoil already included)
SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2) achieves 1v2 ~9.98% faster, while Hellriegel 1915 Factory is ~1.85% more easier to use.
My winner: SMG 08-18 Optical (DLC2)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Hellriegel 1915 Factory achieves 1v2 ~0.16% faster, while Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1) is ~8.06% more easier to use.
My winner: Ribeyrolles 1918 Factory (DLC1)

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Automatico M1918 Storm | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Automatico M1918 Storm achieves 1v2 ~3.98% faster, and is also ~3.14% more easier to use.
My winner: Automatico M1918 Storm

Hellriegel 1915 Factory vs Maschinenpistole M1912 | BF1 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3) achieves 1v2 ~9.52% faster, while Hellriegel 1915 Factory is ~2.78% more easier to use.
My winner: Maschinenpistole M1912 (DLC3)

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Yesterday, 4:46pm

Idk the experimental sucks, how you should be doing the ttk for scouts is a cross between 1 hit head shots and paired with 1 hit body shot to quick swap to pistol to finnish the kill. This is imho how the class is played and you will see any effective scout playing like this with the bolt actions.