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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 9:09am

Huot is Bestgun (for me)

I am in the process of "scoring" every BF1 infantry weapons that we have stats on, together, in the same worksheet. As you know from my previous works, for a weapon to be ranked highly overall by me, it not only needs to be easy to use, but also dish out damage quickly and efficiently... across ALL RANGES and ALL STANCES, from 2.5m Hipfire all the way to 100m ADS.

Yes, a shotgun is king within its 1HK range, and a Scout Rifle is untouchable within its Sweetspot; I don't like to pigeonhole myself, though, and want these "scores" to show me what gives me a fighting chance, no matter what Battlefield throws at me.

As I complete more and more Stances, though, and keep aggregating the scores, one gun keep jumping out at me: Huot Automatic LW. No matter what Stance I ask it to perform at, it is above average in damage output, above average in accuracy, above average in recoil, above average in reload, above average in EVERYTHING. That makes it the "best" when combining all scores together. That says to me that it is "bestgun," for me at least.

To wit, here are the most extreme Stances I looked at, where the Huot scored ABOVE "community favorites" in the rankings for that Stance.

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15m Hipfire Moving, Race-to-200dmg, Huot 5RB-then-recover-then-repeat-then-reload vs. Automatico Storm 6RB-then-recover-then-repeat-then-reload

Firing Score (out of 300)

47.11538462 vs. 70

V-Recoil Score (out of 100)

70 vs. 58.33333333

H-Recoil Score (out of 100)

75 vs. 10.41666667

Reload Score (out of 100)

23.47887324 vs. 79.38095238

FSM Score (out of 100)

62.5 vs. 31.25

Deploy Score (out of 100)

33.33333333 vs. 61.53846154

Recoil Recovery Score (out of 100)

62.5125 vs. 50

Velocity Score (out of 100)

84.09090909 vs. 43.18181818

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Combined Score (out of 1000)

458.0310003 vs. 404.1012321

Rank (out of 85)

#12 vs. #26

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60m ADS Moving, Race-to-200dmg, Huot (5RB) vs. BAR Telescopic (5RB)

Firing Score

107.9365079 vs. 200

V-Recoil Score

70 vs. 49

H-Recoil Score

75 vs. 23.07692308

Reload Score

12.35294118 vs. 22.82608696

FSM Score

62.5 vs. 36.02941176

Deploy Score

33.33333333 vs. 36.36363636

Recoil Recovery Score

62.5125 vs. 37.5

Velocity Score

84.09090909 vs. 93.18181818

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Combined Score

507.7261915 vs. 497.9778763

Rank

#11 vs. #13

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100m ADS Not Moving, Race-to-200dmg, Huot (5RB) vs. M1916 Marksman (3RB)

Firing Score

171.6101695 vs. 238.2352941

V-Recoil Score

70 vs. 29.6969697

H-Recoil Score

75 vs. 18.86792453

Reload Score

31.69014085 vs. 94.93670886

FSM Score

62.5 vs. 22.27272727

Deploy Score

33.33333333 vs. 57.14285714

Recoil Recovery Score

62.5125 vs. 18.75

Velocity Score

84.09090909 vs. 90.90909091

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Combined Score

590.7370528 vs. 570.8115725

Rank

#5 vs. #8

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With that dawning on me, I used what limited playtime I had to grind myself to Support Rank 10 (mostly using the Lewis Gun Optical), used some War Bonds on the Huot, then used it for ~100 kills so far. I ran the Support with Mle M1903, Ammo Crate, mostly Limpet but sometimes Airburst, a smattering of Repair Wrench, and Gas Grenade.

So far, I have HIGHER KpM as Support than my old main of Medic, which make some sense as I am no longer useless vs. vehicles, compared to when I was a Medic without Rifled Grenade and without Light AT Grenade. Plus, now I can keep the approaches covered in (quick-resupplying) Gas, and mow down anyone charging through with an extremely accurate "rope" of lead.

Though, I also noticed that I have LOWER SpM, due to my Medic being able to rack up points with both Heals from Med Packs and Revives from Syringes, while the Support only gets Resupplies... which on top of that which is not mobile, due to me running Ammo Crate (for the meaningful grenade and gadget resupply) instead of Pack.

So, am I going to ditch Medic and main Support? Definitely thinking about it, despite my Medic as Worldwide Top 0.3% Heal and Top 0.2% Revive. At least the "Spring Patch" Huot Optical is absolutely on my radar, notwithstanding the BF "pundits" seemingly already dismissing it; that's fine, more for me to enjoy 8)

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 10:07am

Fair assessment.

I would add, and that is an important factor for me, that the Huot is the weapon the least affected by any visual mumbo jumbo. As in visual recoil, sight misalignment, sight wobble. Further the muzzle flash is bearable and the smoke emittance not overboard. No mag that or anything that obscures your FoV, too. So not only the stats add up in being decent all around, it is supported by the visual appearance and handling of this gun.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 10:18am

The Huot is my most used gun to the point where I have reached first place on the PC leaderboard w it. These numbers just confirm what I have always thought about this gun, its pretty much an assault rifle. I have absolutely no issue single shotting or even microbursting.

Suspect that eventually the community in general will realise how effective this gun. Excellent performance in the most common scenarios.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 10:44am

I just can't seem to accept the damage model of the Huot/Lewis Gun being a 7 shot kill at 39m and beyond. That isn't even particularly far out for them given their low recoil and the fact that 3 out of their 4 collective variants have a bipod (and the Lewis Gun Optical is completely outshone by the BM Optical anyway). I mean they're already the 2nd and 3rd slowest firing LMGs to begin with.

The Huot Optical is also on my radar though. The improvement in H-Recoil will probably be negligible, but the MUCH clearer picture could well make it for me.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 3:13pm

but the MUCH clearer picture could well make it for me.
I don't it is just me or what. The main reason why drive me away for almost all optic var is the ridiculously small picture it has. The iron on the side block almost 50% view when ADS. That is something i can't stand. Even though most of the optic var suit my play style very well ,BM optic for example, with it good zoom level and better stat. But i ended up choosing other , BM telescopic in this case, for just the sight problem I am facing.
As for Huot I find no problem on its iron or AA sight. So it is a questionable choice for me.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 8:26pm

Re: Optical vs. Low Weight

Only after plugging in the Negative SIPS and Negative SIPS FSM into my worksheet's "shot-by-shot-spread-calculator," did I notice that the Low Weight is almost as "accurate" as the Optical.

ADS 100m Not Moving, Lewis Gun Optical vs. LW, Spread Only Hit-Percentage

1st shot: 96.61% vs. 79.51%
2nd shot: 9.23% vs. 9.23%
3rd shot: 12.19% vs. 12.53%
4th shot: 16.87% vs. 18.06%
5th shot: 24.82% vs. 28.04%
6th shot: 40.15% vs. 49.41%

Expected Damage: 29.9805 vs. 29.532

Yes, the Optical is "better," but the difference is TINY, and all of it due to the 1st shot spread difference; the Low Weight gets more accurate at a faster rate. Plus, it has a Bipod should you need it, and it has better Recoil Recovery and thus lower Recoil While Firing as well.

I expect the Huot Optical vs. LW to continue what was observed in the Lewis Gun example above. However, I'm still interested in the Huot Optical, because I have already "tuned" my in-game controls around the 2.5x sights, due to my playing time with the Cei-Rigotti Optical and Auto-8 Marksman. Also, I have no need for the Bipod, and would massively prefer that "foregrip" for the better ADS Moving performance.

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Finally, a blurb on the current "bestgun" according to me, for each type. This is extremely preliminary, and may change as I continue to fill in the Hitrater values. For now, though, I stand by them.

Best LMG: Huot Automatic Low Weight
Best SMG: MP 18 Trench
Best Shotgun: 12g Automatic Backbored
Best SLR: Autoloading 8 .35 Factory
Best SAR: Gewehr M.95 Carbine
Best Sidearm (All Classes): P08 Pistol
Best Sidearm (Class Specific): Taschenpistole M1914 (Medic)

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 11:21pm

You're reasoning behind the Huot is similar to me favoring the MP18 or the Ribeyrolle. On target accuracy. I'd argue the Huot is the MP18 of the lmg category. Why more people don't use it I have no clue. Possibly everyone is stuck in the old BF4 mentality of ROF/DPS trumps all. In any case I agree with the choice in lmgs. Its a good gun that can work in a variety of engagements.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 11:26pm

You're reasoning behind the Huot is similar to me favoring the MP18 or the Ribeyrolle. On target accuracy. I'd argue the Huot is the MP18 of the lmg category. Why more people don't use it I have no clue. Possibly everyone is stuck in the old BF4 mentality of ROF/DPS trumps all. In any case I agree with the choice in lmgs. Its a good gun that can work in a variety of engagements.


Because, just like the MP18, the Huot gets beaten by guns with a faster ROF. And since most killing happens at very close range most people are rightfully interested in CQB performance.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 11:32pm

You're reasoning behind the Huot is similar to me favoring the MP18 or the Ribeyrolle. On target accuracy. I'd argue the Huot is the MP18 of the lmg category. Why more people don't use it I have no clue. Possibly everyone is stuck in the old BF4 mentality of ROF/DPS trumps all. In any case I agree with the choice in lmgs. Its a good gun that can work in a variety of engagements.


Because, just like the MP18, the Huot gets beaten by guns with a faster ROF. And since most killing happens at very close range most people are rightfully interested in CQB performance.
Not disputing that at all. It is true. You take either of these guns in cqb environment you're asking for it from high rof guns and shotguns, however if you're moving from flag point to flag on a consistent basis you can still get some use out of these weapons(MP18, Huot) while not being at the total mercy of medics at medium range.

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Wednesday, April 26th 2017, 11:51pm

Because, just like the MP18, the Huot gets beaten by guns with a faster ROF. And since most killing happens at very close range most people are rightfully interested in CQB performance.


That, and the further out you go, the more things like velocity, crazy target movement, and the tiniest errors in aim matter considerably, making sheer accuracy (over time) at the cost of other things not so appealing.

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