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## New Class Level 10 Weapon Variants in CTE

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 2:51am

### Quoted from "Gecko99"

I hope this tells us DICE is willing to add more variants to existing weapons, they could start with the Ribeyrolles and Sjogren Inertial but the Lebel could do with a marksman variant and the Chauchat is just begging for a trench variant.

Also since they have given the Ribeyrolles Factory a bipod what would you guys think of giving all factory weapons bipods?
It would bring more people over to factory variants like what happened for Low Weight LMGs and make them less of a boring variant.

Those Factory/LW variants have bipods because those guns are supposed to have bipods. I'm not necessarily against it mind you, but that's why.

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 3:16am

The Ribeyrolles isn't a Factory variant in any possible way either. It lacks the modifiers to improve spread decrease and recoil decrease by 1.5x and 2.0x, respectively. Instead it just has a bipod, that's it; this makes it a different variant entirely. It's been referred with the identification of 'Carbine', but that's just by popularity and it isn't official (to my knowledge).

Supposedly it has a Heavy Barrel, but the default values for its minimum ADS spread stationary and moving are 0.24 and 0.76 without modifiers. So I'm actually not so sure that it uses one because those default values would be 0.18 and 0.57 each with a 0.75x multiplier that the Heavy Barrel gives.
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.
For 'skill cannons,' that is.

Nope, Aim Assist or bust.

the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$tho Posts: 1,585 Date of registration : Jan 12th 2014 Platform: PC Battlelog: Reputation modifier: 13 Friday, March 24th 2017, 3:20am The non factory factories really piss me off for some reason. Almost as much as naming on the tank guns in t he UI. Posts: 3,073 Date of registration : Apr 26th 2013 Platform: PS4 Location: Arizona, USA Reputation modifier: 14 Friday, March 24th 2017, 4:06am ### Quoted from "tankmayvin" Almost as much as naming on the tank guns in the UI. Are they mislabeled too? @Gecko A Trench Chauchat would have the same exact hip min spread stationary and moving, all 3 stances, and hip spread increase as the BAR Trench. I think that would be overkill. To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question. For 'skill cannons,' that is. Nope, Aim Assist or bust. ### Prepare your laughbox ### Quoted from "Zer0Cod3x" the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 4:29am

Are there any stats on what the MH Sniper's sweet spot is? Is it staying @ 30m-80m or will it be pushed up the scale and shrunk to a 'normal' sweet spot? thx.

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 4:32am

### Quoted from "tankmayvin"

Almost as much as naming on the tank guns in the UI.

Are they mislabeled too?

@Gecko

A Trench Chauchat would have the same exact hip min spread stationary and moving, all 3 stances, and hip spread increase as the BAR Trench. I think that would be overkill.
Ish. In the nomenclature HE means general purpose (good infantry blast + decent AT damage), AT means superior AT damage but shitty anti infantry blast. They are labelled fine on the Landship and A7V.

But the FT howitzer has a 75 mm HE, but that has shit blast output vs infantry (but great vs armor). And the artillery truck has an "anti tank cannon", but really it's anti everything.

The 75mm LV and HV on the saint chamond and the HE mortar and rifle grens (which are better vs armor than the frag versions) further complicate the whole mess.

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 4:38am

### Quoted from "foilfresh"

Are there any stats on what the MH Sniper's sweet spot is? Is it staying @ 30m-80m or will it be pushed up the scale and shrunk to a 'normal' sweet spot? thx.

I don't see why it would differ. None of the Scout rifle variants have alternate sweet spot ranges, so I would assume the will-be Martini-Henry Sniper to follow suit. That's why a lot of people are saying it's a troll weapon because 5.00x - 10.00x magnification is overkill for the 30m - 80m sweet spot range (42m - 68m for the sweeter spot; 112 damage range).
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.
For 'skill cannons,' that is.

Nope, Aim Assist or bust.

### Quoted from "Zer0Cod3x"

the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2\$ tho

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 4:13pm

### Quoted from "C0llis"

All but the Huot seem like they were made to be troll tier.

The Martini-Henry is a sniper variant for the worst long-range BA. A carbine variant would have been better (and it existed IRL).

The 1906 sniper is a 5 round SLR with a bipod. That's an oxymoron if anything, the 5 rounders require good positioning, use of cover and short exposure times to excel, but we got a variant that forces the user to be stationary and lengthens TTK by adding overhead time before you can fire through the bipod deploy animation. Bipodding down with only five rounds to throw down-range? Lel. Couldn't we just get an optical instead?

The Hellriegel is an assault weapon that sucks on the move. Sure, you've got MANY BULLIT, but that won't do you much good when they either miss when off the bipod or you get domed when plopping down the bipod and trying to outsnipe actual long-range guns with your SMG. Why not a Trench or an actual Factory variant?

Sure, the variants are interesting, and likely fun to use, but to me it seems like DICE tried to check two boxes simultaneously:

[x] "Appease players begging for level 10 variants."
[x] "Add more troll weapons than the Kolibri."

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that DICE are stupid (rule 3), but that they wasted an opportunity to give us good and balanced weapons and instead gave us more troll weapons, which no-one asked for.
I feel that the 5-round SLRs are simultaneously more situational as well as less situational compared to other SLRs. With other SLRs, you need to position yourself well to use your gun in its optimal engagement range. For the M1907 and AL8 .25, you want be in CQB. For the 1916 and Mondragon, you want to be at long range. For the 1906 and AL8 .35, it doesn't really matter what range you're at, you'll perform well at it. So while you need to position yourself well in order to reload and take cover quickly, the range at which you position yourself from the enemy doesn't really matter.

I agree at the M-H Sniper and Hellriegel Defensive are just troll weapons though. The Hellriegel is literally just a shittier LMG.

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Friday, March 24th 2017, 5:44pm

@C0llis

The new Huot is troll tier too even if it got a new sight.

And of course, it all works out because the only players that'll grab these next to worthless weapons are the unlock whores.

Players not interested in jumping through hoops can simply pass these weapons over in favor of something that actually makes sense.
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Friday, March 24th 2017, 6:40pm

Do we have stats on these weapons yet? I wonder if the Optical sight on the Hellriegel Defensive means it will have a lower base spread. Cuz .3 is lol-worthy, even on a bipod. Between that and the 380m/s velocity (trollolololol)... good luck with those longer range targets.