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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 8:41pm

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Not really.

For a 18% increase in fire rate, the Hellriegel experiences a 65% versus MP18 increase in total hRecoil and a 137% vs Ribeyrolles.

With the description alleging that the Hellriegel Def is even more inaccurate off bipod, this means that it is not exactly a mobile SMG.
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 8:46pm

With the description alleging that the Hellriegel Def is even more accurate off bipod, this means that it is not exactly a mobile SMG.


I watched it firing, and if it is less accurate than the base Hellriegel off bipod, I certainly couldn't detect it by eye. Do we have the CTE patch notes with the numbers yet?

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 8:50pm

Not yet, but I guess I can start digging.
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 8:54pm

With the description alleging that the Hellriegel Def is even more accurate off bipod, this means that it is not exactly a mobile SMG.


I watched it firing, and if it is less accurate than the base Hellriegel off bipod, I certainly couldn't detect it by eye. Do we have the CTE patch notes with the numbers yet?

It will probably just lose the storm modifiers the "factory" Hellriegel has, and just have the base recoil. Which is pretty high, at 0.4 V and a total of 0.95 H.
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 8:57pm

I even got replied to from the madsen.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 9:13pm

Not surprised.

People think SMGs are super LMGs when it's the other way around.

They think SMGs do more damage than LMGs (lolwat).

They think SMGs are more accurate than LMGs (more wat).


Because Levelcap has been saying that SMGs have more damage than LMGs for some time.

Turbo wat.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 9:16pm

I know people like to be angry pitchfork wielding villagers but all it takes is a simple look at key stats that everyone understands;

Lets compare the Hellriegel Defensive to an LMG which allegedly can replace, the MG15 Suppresive.

Hellriegel vs MG15 Suppresive
Damage: 5 -8 vs 5 - 6
Bullets till overheat: 40 vs 35
ROF: 650 vs 500
Capacity :120 vs 200
Velocity: 380m/s vs 870m/s
V.Recoil: 0.28 vs 0.32
H.Recoil: 0.38/0.38vs 0.35/0.35
FSM: 2x vs 1.8x

We do not have the exact stats for the Hellriegel Defensive, but I reckon that everything mentioned here will remain unchanged, save for Mag.

Not to mention the MG15 is a support gun meaning self ammo refill is a thing. This isn't even going into detail with the ADS base spread and the fact that the MG15 has negative spread. There is no way on earth that the Hellriegel Defensive can touch the MG15 (or any other LMG for that matter) at 40m+

So no, its not going to make LMGS useless, RIP Support as one guy put it.

The 20 Ammos one is hilarious. Its like they never used another LMG other than the BAR.

People still thinking the hellriegel is op is hilarious. I tried using it because I like the idea of it and quickly realized that its horizontal recoil makes anything other than short bursts useless. Therefore it is relegated to a flanking role or ranges below 30m.

The 'no reason to use the base hellriegel' one is the closest one to a legitimate concern. It could very well outclass the factory version but I am not sure of that so far.
Hellriegel is a turd IMO. Why would you ever use it when you have the various Automaticos to chose from?

It's got the same dynamic vs automatico as 1916 has vs the 5 round slrs. Yeah it's got lots of ammo, but when you're dying in typical 1v1s in your engagement bracket most of the time all that ammo doesn't do you any good.

And it's really punishing for the Hellriegel since it's CBQ and thus you've got no chance to cover as a general rule.

Yea, honestly I wouldn't even go for the automatico, I would just go with a shotgun, usually the 12G or Sjogren. Anythingabove 20m, its Ribeyrolles 1918, MP18 or Model 10 Slug. Mostly MP18 as the Experimental got buffed significantly and the reticle fix really makes headshoting with the trench version quite easy (sort of :])


I use it sometimes because way before BF1 launched, I really wanted it to be in the game. Atthe time I envisaged it being an analogue to the CBJ. Ofcourse the actual game had significantly different balance than the BF4 style model I was anticipating at the time.

It still has some value as I play a lot of Rush and it served me well when assaulting clustered bunkers such as Argonne or Grappa. This new Defensive variant may actually become a favourite of mine as the bipod makes it ideal for defensive play, especially when defending on Rush.
What? Automatico is amazing. Trenchie means you can brute force most firefights without adsin'g and you can really abuse the resets on the factory. IMO way more reliable of a platform than the buck guns. CQB is also one of the rare situations there 1 v X situations aren't something you can pace against and the automaticos can hose multiple guys FAST during flanks.

It's a great panic fire weapon too, if you're focusing on the core explosive spam abilities of assault.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 9:17pm

The entire community also seems to believe that only the BAR and Chau chat are the only viable LMG's

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 9:19pm

but let us face it, we can all dig up a hundred posts that we should be ashamed of posting on the internet, and remember who owns Mar-a-Lago.

isn't that why we have titles after all? to remember that in the end, we are still a community of dumbasses?

anyway, it really appears that the battlefield community cares only about mag size until we reach very high rof(750+) regardless of actual damage output(both for bullet damage and hitrate)... i assume this is because people have bad accuracy and want to be allowed to miss a couple shots and still have a chance?
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 9:27pm

Nice one iota. :)

When in the meantime all you other smart folks are done comparing spreadsheets, could I interest you in another wonderful read, that I was immediately reminded of in this thread, written by the awesome George Orwell? Animal Farm is a lovely novel. I am sure many of you have seen it in school, but maybe a second read would enlighten you again.