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## Why do people refuse to use shotguns other than the Model 10-A hunter? Also what's your favorite shotgun to use?

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 1:48am

Oh I was totally kidding. I need to spend a little more time on it myself, especially range estimation. I tend to overestimate, which gets me into trouble with the LMGs because I end up in too many face-offs with assault players, a matchup I'm usually gonna lose since assault is way better suited for it (also cause I can't break myself of stopping and ADS.)

What I need is a practice range.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "OldBFAddict" (Mar 25th 2017, 1:54am)

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 2:16am

I didn't pick up on that haha. I naturally just read forum posts as if they were written with a completely serious tone unless indicated otherwise (a disclaimer or emoji/ emoticon is good for this) or I know the member's "voice" so to speak.

We ALL want/ need a Range a la BF4, at least I do. It's such a valuable resource for testing. We do have access to pre-round activity on an empty server, but the UI is disabled which makes things a whole lot more difficult to experiment or record and analyze data.
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.

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### Quoted from "Zer0Cod3x"

the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2\$ tho

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 2:54am

actually, i'd prefer for a bf1943 style range, it can still be used like th eone in bf4, but it's better for new players and can also teach deeper game mechanics(such as negative spread increase on lmgs)
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### Quoted from "CobaltRose"

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 2:43pm

### Quoted from "tankmayvin"

What do you mean by "distributed over the radius"?

If the distribution is either even or centered you can always go back to some formulation of pellets per unit area of the spread cone at range x.

It means that the randomisation is done through the radius (as opposed to the area).

Imagine two circles, with the same centre as each other. Now imagine that one has double the radius of the other.

If spread is distributed evenly over the area, then more of your shots will land in the outer ring than the inner circle, as the outer ring contains a larger area than the inner circle.

If spread is distributed evenly over the radius, then 50% of your shots will land in the outer ring, and 50% in the inner circle, as both areas contain an equal amount of radius.
something something Model 8 bestgun

### Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

### Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:

Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

### Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

### Quoted from "Zer0Cod3x"

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

### Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

### Quoted from "Veritable"

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

### Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 9:14pm

### Quoted from "VincentNZ"

I would use the Automaticos or the Ribeyrolles and play accordingly, give you better overall performance. Even when you manage to stay in CQ only, the automatic offers awesome hipfire spread and TTK.
After your comment I went out and actually used the automatico factory and holy cow. I hadn't used the automatico's for many months because I was being a hipster and everyone was using it so I didn't/ also wanted to play my prefered ranged playstyle which doesn't really pan out with assault. I figured with the new nerfs that it would be balanced and therefore I wasn't motivated to try it after I recovered from my hipster phase. It seems to me that even after the nerf it is still way better than everything else assault has. Compared to shotguns I think there were few if any kills I missed out on because I was using the automatico rather than a shotgun. On the other hand, the comparatively much faster reloads and unimpeachable ranged performance leaves me feeling that the shotguns are much harder to use but with little if anything to show for it. The above comments do not include the model 10 slug because theoretically it could "impeach" the automatico at range, but I think there are very few who are better off using the model 10 slug. The one scenario I can think of where shotguns are better is if you OHK all 5 shots then you can kill 5 people before reloading. The automatico can also technically kill 5 players with one magazine though it is much harder than with a shotgun. In practice i find myself firing 2 shots with the shotgun reflexively to make sure I get the kill so the above situation is even more unlikely to happen to me.

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 9:56pm

Yeah you would overshoot your target with the automatico as well, but as BF1 is designed around 1vs1 seemingly you will be better off in more situations with the automatico. The factory especially offers some bursthipfire mechanics that are quite usable at most ranges you would put yourself into.

The Slug is great yes, if you are a good shot, but if you are indeed that good with your accuracy, why not just use the MH or SMLE for the most effectiveness?

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 10:48pm

### Quoted from "VincentNZ"

The Slug is great yes, if you are a good shot, but if you are indeed that good with your accuracy, why not just use the MH or SMLE for the most effectiveness?
You can't use Assault's gadgets together with a sniper rifle though.

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 10:55pm

### Quoted from "VincentNZ"

The Slug is great yes, if you are a good shot, but if you are indeed that good with your accuracy, why not just use the MH or SMLE for the most effectiveness?
You can't use Assault's gadgets together with a sniper rifle though.

Yeah but if the CTE changes will indeed go through as they are now, the Recon might be the better Assault.

You are right though, I was just trying to make a point, that if I was so accurate that I can hit with the slug at 20-60m, I am probably wasted on the Assault Class.

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 10:58pm

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Saturday, March 25th 2017, 11:38pm

### Quoted from "VincentNZ"

The Slug is great yes, if you are a good shot, but if you are indeed that good with your accuracy, why not just use the MH or SMLE for the most effectiveness?
Because you can't OHK people in CQC with the MH or SMLE.

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