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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 2:23pm

Why do people refuse to use shotguns other than the Model 10-A hunter? Also what's your favorite shotgun to use?

The Model 10-A hunter is a great shotgun. It has the longest 1 hit kill range out of all the shotguns (not counting the 10-A slug) and a mag size of 6 making it the most popular shotgun in BF1. To compensate for its high damage output per shot it comes with a low RPM of just 78. This means that if you miss or slightly whiff your shot in CQB, any half decent opponent with an automatico or m97 is gonna shred you into pieces. Or if you enter a room with more than 2 opponents. The M97 on the other hand also has a good 1 hit kill range and comes with relatively fast RPM allowing you to fight multiple people and allows for a follow up shot if your first shot misses the target. To me the M97 is more potent and more forgiving than the Model 10 A, yet people refuse to use the M97. Are people just lazy or am I overestimating the M97?

I have also tested out the Sjogren Inertia and if you can consistently one shot people with it it's objectively the best shotgun in the game. High RPM, possibility to 1 hit kill, low pellet dispersion and lowest recoil out of any shotgun.

Next up on my list, testing out the 12g automatic.

p.s: there seems to be a bug in the TTK charts for shotguns. They show values above 5k.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 2:30pm

Because 10A was deemed "super overpowered" before it had a slight reduction in range and people haven't bothered trying out the other options available. Some people still believe the 10A or even shotguns in general are "broken" or similar.

You said it yourself, it offers the most damage potential per shot, but if you miss on a head on fight, your chances of getting a second shot off are very low.
It's weird because the other popular weapons like the SL1907/M1916/Hellriegel have a factor of ease of use with their lenient magazine sizes, but when it comes to shotguns apparently the only popular one is the most punishing one to use.
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 2:50pm

shotguns apparently the only popular one is the most punishing one to use.
Probably because it is “consistent” to one shot people. unlike other shotgun that need a second shot sometimes(m97)/probably(the new one)/mostly(auto 12G) People generally think shotty are one shot kill in sub-15m. They only consider second shot at a reasonablely far distance. And 10 hunter can Do that just fine. TBH i find 10 factory are also a good choice as well. it make second shot back down a lot more faster than hunter.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 2:59pm

TBH i find 10 factory are also a good choice as well. it make second shot back down a lot more faster than hunter.
Isn't the RPM just too low for recoil to have any meaning? By the time you can do a follow up shot you will probably have had enough time to compensate for recoil anyway.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 3:18pm

TBH i find 10 factory are also a good choice as well. it make second shot back down a lot more faster than hunter.
Isn't the RPM just too low for recoil to have any meaning? By the time you can do a follow up shot you will probably have had enough time to compensate for recoil anyway.
The spread dec on factory is way more faster than hunter can do.

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 3:25pm

shotguns apparently the only popular one is the most punishing one to use.
Probably because it is “consistent” to one shot people. unlike other shotgun that need a second shot sometimes(m97)/probably(the new one)/mostly(auto 12G) People generally think shotty are one shot kill in sub-15m. They only consider second shot at a reasonablely far distance. And 10 hunter can Do that just fine. TBH i find 10 factory are also a good choice as well. it make second shot back down a lot more faster than hunter.

M97 is 14m for a OHK and Sjögren is 12m. 12G Auto never OHKs.

Consistency is cool to have, but there's more times where I don't score a OHK with a OHK-capable shotgun due to inaccuracy on my end rather than the gun's damage output. With how shotgun cone spread works, either you land a good shot or you don't. At that point what matters is how fast can you get your next shot off, which is why the M97 and Sjögren are great guns. You still get the OHK at a tad lower range but you have better chances in 1v2 situations.
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 3:37pm

>tfw you realize BF4 870 had a 24m OHK range

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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 3:39pm

>tfw you realize BF4 870 had a 24m OHK range

tfw when the UTS 15 could OHK up to 40 meters for a while.

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>tfw you realize BF4 870 had a 24m OHK range
tfw when the UTS 15 could OHK up to 40 meters for a while.
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Thursday, March 23rd 2017, 4:13pm

M97 is 14m for a OHK and Sjögren is 12m.
The Sjogren has 8.4 dmg per pellet up to 14m (13x8.4=109.2). And 7.8 dmg at 15 m (13x7.8=101.4) which technically puts it in OHK range. Is there another formula I'm missing to calculate OHK range for shotguns?