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MARS, Automatic

Holy War? No Thanks.

Posts: 2,586

Date of registration
: Jul 25th 2013

Platform: PC

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Saturday, May 13th 2017, 10:44am

I would have liked to be quoted directly, if my words get thrown in to win a bet. I did indeed refer to it as the finisher pistol. It is still true that in ANY case you only need one hit to kill a guy, which is easier to do with the MARS as two shots with the Frommer. This is from my perspective, I can not hit well with the revolvers and low ROF weapons, but I am still far more accurate, and it is indeed the second shot that usually does not connect.

I would still prefer the Frommer overall as a sidearm, because it has a high ROF paired with decent damage. But if I am running a Marksman or Sniper BA and will likely need to finish off a guy at longer ranges, the Mars would be got-to.

By the way I believe the quote was the first answer to the OP, right? I did not want to elaborate that much on a simple question, so I just said what the thing was designed for.

Posts: 274

Date of registration
: Jun 21st 2012

Platform: PC

Location: Moscow, Russia

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Saturday, May 13th 2017, 4:14pm

@JSLICE20

You completely threw off any distance related text from my posts in your quotes - the whole point is that Mars is nearly all-range pistol(OFC on reasonable distances, not on something like 100m), as it's damage model could allow you to, techically, finish enemy with one shot even at 50m. With Frommer Stop you simply wipe anyone in CQB, with finishing shot or with pistol alone, but, for example, 20m lower muzzle velocity, worse minspread and weaker damage takes its part.I never said that Mars is "bestgun" or "best overall". It's versatile, it's good at medium ranges, can be used at longer ranges(but, with BASR as primary that's just stupid) and OFC it's bad in CQB in comparison to Frommer Stop or Bodeo.
To be clear, in short:
If you're running in CQB style(M95 Infantry, 1895 Trench) or with Martini-Henry - Frommer Stop is much better choice, since you're mostly play in ranges, where Frommer Stop shines at its best.
If you're playing at something like SMLE Marksman' sweetspot ranges - Mars is a decent choice, since you're avoiding CQB engaments anyway.
Sorry for my bad english - it's not my native language and I have difficulties with acquiring speaking/writing practice in my country. If I accidently insult you or say something wrong - I'm sorry, you can feel free to correct me.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Diavol" (May 13th 2017, 11:33pm)

Posts: 3,257

Date of registration
: Apr 26th 2013

Platform: PS4

Location: Arizona, USA

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Sunday, May 14th 2017, 9:24am

No. No I did not. The mis-comprehension is quite evident in here, I must say. I specifically quoted portions mentioning distance, but highlighted the premise of the statements; you can look back a few posts and see that for yourself.

So the Mars is indeed better than the Frommer Stop at irrelevant ranges to use a pistol at, that seems like a disadvantage. It makes no sense to use a pistol at 30m-50m whose velocity and accuracy are significantly lower than the Single Action Rifle equipped. It only makes sense to pull out the pistol if you can draw and shoot faster than a follow-up shot with your primary can achieve.

Also, the preposterous notion that I accused anyone of saying that the Mars is "bestgun" or "best overall" is evidence to a misunderstanding of my post in its entirety. Note that the whole context is in terms of 'finisher pistol' which I did not deviate from. I specifically accused those claiming that it's a better alternative, as a finisher pistol, than the Frommer Stop (which was the only comparison being made) or just straight-up the best when there's plenty of data to suggest that it isn't that they were mistaken. Neither claim holds up.
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.

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