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Friday, February 17th 2017, 6:03am

A kolibri esque practical sub compact pocket pistol?

So there is no doubt the kolibri is a joke. Its a cool historical "weapon" but for all intents and purposes it is a joke weapon. I got to thinking, what if we got to see one of the many sub compact .25 cal pocket pistols that were used by spies, officers, etc.?

Here are a couble examples

Steyer 1909 25acp mag size 6+1
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/296…34734475f10.jpg


sauer 1913 25acp mag size 7+1
http://www.ai4fr.com/main/img_1209917334…_1393105885.jpg


Astra 25acp pocket pistol mag sie 6+1
https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sit…_pistol_640.jpg


Being 25acp, The damage would be very low; about 22 max damage with the same range profile as the 32acp pistols for a good balance. To emphasize the roles these pistols play, These sub compact pistols should have a very fast draw time; Perhaps even as fast as 0.2 (the fastest two pistols are the frommer and bolldog at 0.4) and have a very large reserve ammo count similar to the kolibri.

The philosophy is simple: a practical micro pistol in the style of the kolibri but not as ridiculous. Unlike the 2.7mm of the kolibri which IRL failed to penetrate a skull, the 25acp though somewhat anemic, was practical enough for use in micro pistols. Especially for that time period before overpressure ammo was invented, got the job done
.25 ACP - Wikipedia
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Friday, February 17th 2017, 6:09am

Also, I forgot to menation the most popular of them all:
FN M1905 - Wikipedia
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Friday, February 17th 2017, 8:01am

While not a terrible idea, I don't think many people(myself included) would use them and I can't think of a realistic way to make them viable.
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Friday, February 17th 2017, 3:44pm

It is a good idea on paper but when you put in game, things change a lot. You said 22 max damage, 7~8 bullet in mag and fast draw time(0.2 sec). When I look back to frommer stop, It have 26.5 max damage, 8 bullet in mag(lowest in fast-fire pistol), and .4 sec draw time.The .25 ACP has some usage. But very limited compare to frommer. The damage output is low(unless they give it high rpm. We are considering >450 territory). 0.2 sec draw time is very helpful. It means that it is a very very good savior pistol when you need draw out in a middle of fire fight. But the low damage and low ammo make it hard to shine other than in that situation.You need to spam it while maintain high accuracy to kill people which is pretty hard to do....

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 3:58pm

maybe also a super-fast reload?
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Friday, February 17th 2017, 4:29pm

I really don't think more pistols is what this game needs tbh. The kolibri is fine as a joke, especially when trolling tanks by using it to blow up mines/HE. But beyond that, meh.

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 6:56pm

0.2s drawtime? My Gawd. The general purpose for pistols in the first place is to finish off an enemy once the primary's ammunition is expended. In some circumstances, like with Revolvers, they provide a more consistent or even higher damage output than some primaries in close quarters making them better for close quarters DPS. 0.6s drawtime with a Revolver seems like an eternity. And it is, rightfully so, because of ~198 DPS up close.

A theoretical 0.2s draw finisher pistol with 22 damage and 450+ RPM? 22(450)/60 = 165, compared to the Frommer Stop: 26.5(449)/60 = ~198. Not exactly the same, but this doesn't factor in draw times. 165 DPS (or more depending on 451+ RoF) at 0.2s vs. ~198 at 0.4s. The 0.2s is easily the better choice because it's a finisher pistol; one or two bullets is all you need. At that RoF, you can fire off two shots before the Frommer Stop/ other 0.4s pocket pistols could even draw.
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho


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Saturday, February 18th 2017, 12:40am

0.2s drawtime? My Gawd. The general purpose for pistols in the first place is to finish off an enemy once the primary's ammunition is expended. In some circumstances, like with Revolvers, they provide a more consistent or even higher damage output than some primaries in close quarters making them better for close quarters DPS. 0.6s drawtime with a Revolver seems like an eternity. And it is, rightfully so, because of ~198 DPS up close.

A theoretical 0.2s draw finisher pistol with 22 damage and 450+ RPM? 22(450)/60 = 165, compared to the Frommer Stop: 26.5(449)/60 = ~198. Not exactly the same, but this doesn't factor in draw times. 165 DPS (or more depending on 451+ RoF) at 0.2s vs. ~198 at 0.4s. The 0.2s is easily the better choice because it's a finisher pistol; one or two bullets is all you need. At that RoF, you can fire off two shots before the Frommer Stop/ other 0.4s pocket pistols could even draw.
Exactly. The purpose is a pistol designed to be an absolute last resort to draw fast and finish off foes but absolutely shine in that regard.
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Saturday, February 18th 2017, 1:11am

Yeah, but 0.2s is fricken fast. Like too fast. That's like continuous damage output without pause fast. I don't know if that'd be balanced.
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho