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Wednesday, February 15th 2017, 9:37pm

Rifles carbine and infantry

Been using the SMLE carbine a lot recently. The reason why is it just appears to be statistically superior to the infantry variant. Is there some sort of stat I'm missing other then the suppression recovery? like is there an ADS difference? if so where do i find those stats.

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Wednesday, February 15th 2017, 9:47pm

Infantry has much faster ADS speed, better spread/recoil recovery, and adjustable zeroing (Carbine is locked to 75m). Carbine has fancy sights and better hipfire.

Between the two, it's Carbines that I don't really see much use for.

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Wednesday, February 15th 2017, 10:11pm

Well for starters, Bolt-action rifles don't particularly benefit from faster recoil and spread recovery - their rate of fire is simply too low for there to be any issue in that area.

I'd advocate that the Carbine version of bolt-actions are more useful for several reasons, but specifically against an infantry version there is:
- Use of a sight instead of irons, and a slightly higher magnification
- Straight-pull mechanics (No need to unscope to re-chamber the next round) [Infantry versions also have this feature]
- Shorter physical length of rifle
- Reasonably better hipfire

The only Bolt-action carbine I use is the SMLE MKIII. Since its damage profile sets it more for short-range engagements, the hip-fire bonus is beneficial in times of great need (although you could argue at point-blank range, you should be using your sidearm), and its locked 75m ranging isn't an issue.

The clear, magnified optic is better for target acquisition and moderately-long range engagements; Iron sights can be a hindrance past medium-range.

Also take into account that the physically shorter rifle makes you slightly less noticeable in certain ways, doubly so when your bayonet is detached. While the practical applications for this are low, one area where this does help is when aiming out of windows or fire-holes. There have been many times where I've been able to see a sniper poking his long bayonet out of a window when running past a building.

The only substantial argument against carbines over infantry versions is the slower time to aim. That being said, I have never once found myself disadvantaged because of this.

But in the end, use what you feel works best for you.

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Wednesday, February 15th 2017, 11:04pm

After the last patch, the Russian 1895 trench is actually really nice to use as a fast RoF BARS.

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Thursday, February 16th 2017, 2:38am

I'd love to know where to find the ADS speed stats as well.

Carbine also has half the moving spread as Infantry.

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Thursday, February 16th 2017, 3:41pm

I suggested this before but to make the infantry variants more of an "infantry" weapon, I would suggest giving the infantry variants one or two extra 5 round charger clips
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Thursday, February 16th 2017, 11:45pm

I suggested this before but to make the infantry variants more of an "infantry" weapon, I would suggest giving the infantry variants one or two extra 5 round charger clips
Or removing ability to attach bayonet on non-infantry scout rifles(except M1903 Experimental), but there would be too much whine.
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Friday, February 17th 2017, 12:02am

Or removing ability to attach bayonet on non-infantry scout rifles(except M1903 Experimental), but there would be too much whine.


Not useful if you don't use bayonets, just like the lack of zeroing on Carbines.

Also, the two Carbines, 1895 Trench, and Martini-Henry are the only BAs I actually have bayonets on.

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 7:17pm

Bolt-action rifles don't particularly benefit from faster recoil and spread recovery - their rate of fire is simply too low for there to be any issue in that area.


Hint: spread and recoil decrease only start to happen AFTER the weapon can fire again. What does this mean? That it only starts to decrease in spread after you've already rechambered a round.

So your statement is completely false.

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Saturday, February 18th 2017, 3:31am

Bolt-action rifles don't particularly benefit from faster recoil and spread recovery - their rate of fire is simply too low for there to be any issue in that area.


Hint: spread and recoil decrease only start to happen AFTER the weapon can fire again. What does this mean? That it only starts to decrease in spread after you've already rechambered a round.

So your statement is completely false.


Also, as I've mentioned before, spread decrease does not only happen inbetween shots. Combined witht he faster ADS time, this is the quickscoper's variant.