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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:24am

Legion gave you a comparison to one of the BMs.

The Lewis has twice the mag and twice the Hrec.
The BM has a sweet scope. The Huot doesn't. Optical performance has a big impact on ranged engagements.
The only thing an optic adds for a weapon is a slightly different ADS sensitivity/speed, varying degrees of magnification and perhaps some scope sway. It doesn't affect statistical gun performance, including ranged play. Use optics at your leisure.

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:29am

Legion gave you a comparison to one of the BMs.

The Lewis has twice the mag and twice the Hrec.
The BM has a sweet scope. The Huot doesn't. Optical performance has a big impact on ranged engagements.
The only thing an optic adds for a weapon is a slightly different ADS sensitivity/speed, varying degrees of magnification and perhaps some scope sway. It doesn't affect statistical gun performance, including ranged play. Use optics at your leisure.
Yeah, no reason to use scopes at all, they serve no gameplay function other than aethetics. :rolleyes:

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:30am

Optical/ Telescopic variants have better accuracy stats...just saying. They aren't purely aesthetic.

Edit: Damnit, tankmayvin just posted before I did. :(
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho


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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:36am

Legion gave you a comparison to one of the BMs.

The Lewis has twice the mag and twice the Hrec.
The BM has a sweet scope. The Huot doesn't. Optical performance has a big impact on ranged engagements.


This is why I do not see how the Huot is meant to be a long range LMG.

It does not have the optics to facilitate such engagements.

This is the same case as the M1903 Infantry.

The BM Telescopic is pretty much the obvious "long range" LMG. The Huot is not.
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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:44am

The only thing an optic adds for a weapon is a slightly different ADS sensitivity/speed, varying degrees of magnification and perhaps some scope sway. It doesn't affect statistical gun performance, including ranged play. Use optics at your leisure.

Yes and no.

Technically, it doesn't affect weapon performance, but I think over 99% of people will probably tell you that they'd much rather a scope at long range than ironsights. Including highly skilled players.
something something Model 8 bestgun


How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:48am

The only thing an optic adds for a weapon is a slightly different ADS sensitivity/speed, varying degrees of magnification and perhaps some scope sway. It doesn't affect statistical gun performance, including ranged play. Use optics at your leisure.

Yes and no.

Technically, it doesn't affect weapon performance, but I think over 99% of people will probably tell you that they'd much rather a scope at long range than ironsights. Including highly skilled players.
At the most basic, once the target approaches the same size as the front leaf of an iron sight you're going to start having trouble accurately hitting it.

The Telescopic BM also has better spread than the Optical BM, which has better spread than the Storm BM. So there are statistical differences in the physical performance of the guns.

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:55am

Legion gave you a comparison to one of the BMs.

The Lewis has twice the mag and twice the Hrec.
The BM has a sweet scope. The Huot doesn't. Optical performance has a big impact on ranged engagements.


This is why I do not see how the Huot is meant to be a long range LMG.

It does not have the optics to facilitate such engagements.

This is the same case as the M1903 Infantry.

The BM Telescopic is pretty much the obvious "long range" LMG. The Huot is not.

Legion gave you a comparison to one of the BMs.

The Lewis has twice the mag and twice the Hrec.
The BM has a sweet scope. The Huot doesn't. Optical performance has a big impact on ranged engagements.


This is why I do not see how the Huot is meant to be a long range LMG.

It does not have the optics to facilitate such engagements.

This is the same case as the M1903 Infantry.

The BM Telescopic is pretty much the obvious "long range" LMG. The Huot is not.


Just playing the belt-fed advocate here, if you're firing a suppressive fire weapon at a long range wouldn't the MG15 suppressive be the weapon of choice?

Taking monte grappa as an example, there are often snipers at the other side of the valley. Sure the Huot and the BM is very accurate but once you start throw 5-10 rounds at a time on him you pretty much don't want to stop. At range you have time to use the bipod and a optical sight to see your fall of shot.

Hmm I might go try that out.

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 9:58am



Just playing the belt-fed advocate here, if you're firing a suppressive fire weapon at a long range wouldn't the MG15 suppressive be the weapon of choice?

Taking monte grappa as an example, there are often snipers at the other side of the valley. Sure the Huot and the BM is very accurate but once you start throw 5-10 rounds at a time on him you pretty much don't want to stop. At range you have time to use the bipod and a optical sight to see your fall of shot.

Hmm I might go try that out.
Sniper is usually dead in 10-12 bullets from the BM Tele, or you've gotta get moving because some other sniper is shooting at you anyway. Lewis Supp has more than enough bullets if you want volume and has more meaningful ability to actually hit said sniper.

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 10:01am

Nah. Too much recoil for counter sniping. B/M kills much quicker at counter-snipe range.



Fans of the Huot, at what ranges does the Huot shine in comparison to other LMGs? 40-80?

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Wednesday, February 8th 2017, 10:05am

Yes and no.

Technically, it doesn't affect weapon performance

What the frick-frack is going on here? Just using the Benet Mercie as an example:

Storm ADS min. spread: 0.21
Optical ADS min. spread: 0.158

Is this not the case or am I just insane?
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho