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Monday, January 30th 2017, 7:04am

Also, the C93 has the same damage model as the faster 450rpm pocket pistols, so really the C93 is a slow-firing pocket pistol with better velocity. But while higher velocity is nice for consistency, is it really worth losing that much RoF for it? if you're going to sacrifice RoF, might as well use the Mle 1903, no?

Except that the C93 retains its 4HK out to 16 m, whereas the 450 RPM pistols can only 4HK out to 10 m.

BF1: | BF1 Multi-Weapon Comparison | Symthic
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Monday, January 30th 2017, 7:16am

Also, the C93 has the same damage model as the faster 450rpm pocket pistols, so really the C93 is a slow-firing pocket pistol with better velocity. But while higher velocity is nice for consistency, is it really worth losing that much RoF for it? if you're going to sacrifice RoF, might as well use the Mle 1903, no?

Except that the C93 retains its 4HK out to 16 m, whereas the 450 RPM pistols can only 4HK out to 10 m.

BF1: | BF1 Multi-Weapon Comparison | Symthic


I was going to say I always forget to compare drop ranges because there's no graph in multi-comparison... but apparently I just never realized there were more tabs to go to. 8|

I'm certainly not saying the C93 is a bad gun, but at the same time I'm not sure a whole massive 6m is helping its case. It certainly seems very average, which can be a good thing or a bad thing.
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Monday, January 30th 2017, 7:38am

Well think of 1911 vs P08. Once the 1911 is outside of its 3HK range (10m), you might as well be using the other gun because it simply outclasses it.

Distances can be deceiving, so extra range is pretty good.
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Monday, January 30th 2017, 7:47am

Here are some real-life stuffs on the Remington Model 8 that I had in my Infantry Weapons of BF1 thread, ICYMI (In Case You Missed It). Ian from Forgotten Weapons is an "official" source, because he is in the BF1 Credits as a Special Thanks.

Remington Model 8 (in .25 Remington) - YouTube (Forgotten Weapons, .25 Rem, 5 rounds version, includes disassembly)

Remington Model 81 Special Police - YouTube (Forgotten Weapons, .35 Rem, Extended version)

2-Gun Action Challenge: Remington Model 8 - YouTube (Forgotten Weapons, 2-gun match, .300 Savage, 5 rounds version, Buckhorn sights)

Website: The Great Model 8

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PS I do pair my Marksman with the Mauser M1914 "Pocket Pistol," so much so that I have more kills with it than all of my non-Marksman non-1906 non-Rigotti-Optical Medic Rifle kills combined... 433 as of this writing, 4.6kpm. Just purely on stats, the FN 1903 looks to be excellent, but is it just me or does its Reload absolutely sucks? It seems like my guy is just CLAWING at the heel-release for the magazine FOREVER to get that spent mag out....

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Monday, January 30th 2017, 7:53am

PS I do pair my Marksman with the Mauser M1914 "Pocket Pistol," so much so that I have more kills with it than all of my non-Marksman non-1906 non-Rigotti-Optical Medic Rifle kills combined... 433 as of this writing, 4.6kpm. Just purely on stats, the FN 1903 looks to be excellent, but is it just me or does its Reload absolutely sucks? It seems like my guy is just CLAWING at the heel-release for the magazine FOREVER to get that spent mag out....


The Mle 1903 does have a long-ish reload, but then again I use the Model 8 so I'm used to it. And the animation, if slow, is gorgeous. Much better than the overly-quick and inauthentic pocket pistol reloads, which should also be using heal-mounted releases.

But aesthetics aside, the Mle seems to me to be sort of like the Model 8 in that it's pretty great at most everything, but has more downtime than other options.
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Monday, January 30th 2017, 8:23am

I find my accuracy with the Autoloading 8 factory gets a downgrade because I find myself just shooting off the last 1 or 2 rounds to avoid having to single load 3 or 4 rounds. Funnily enough I'm still more accurate with it than the .25

Other than that I wish it has a thinner blade sight like the Mondragon iron sights. I find I gravitated towards it purely for its sight, on that note, I don't use the 1907s for exactly the same reason, the irons look like they belong on a shotgun.

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Monday, January 30th 2017, 2:00pm

I find my accuracy with the Autoloading 8 factory gets a downgrade because I find myself just shooting off the last 1 or 2 rounds to avoid having to single load 3 or 4 rounds. Funnily enough I'm still more accurate with it than the .25


Funny, I do the same with the 1906 and the .35's -- And I consistently feel terrible about it. I also find that I have a hard time liking the ironsight on the factory, it seems a bit obtrusive? It's nowhere near as bad as the SL1907, mind.

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Monday, January 30th 2017, 2:29pm

Liking Model 8 .25 = ban

That some kind of challenge there, babycakes?

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Monday, January 30th 2017, 3:08pm

Here are some real-life stuffs on the Remington Model 8 that I had in my Infantry Weapons of BF1 thread, ICYMI (In Case You Missed It). Ian from Forgotten Weapons is an "official" source, because he is in the BF1 Credits as a Special Thanks.

Remington Model 8 (in .25 Remington) - YouTube (Forgotten Weapons, .25 Rem, 5 rounds version, includes disassembly)

Remington Model 81 Special Police - YouTube (Forgotten Weapons, .35 Rem, Extended version)

2-Gun Action Challenge: Remington Model 8 - YouTube (Forgotten Weapons, 2-gun match, .300 Savage, 5 rounds version, Buckhorn sights)

Website: The Great Model 8

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PS I do pair my Marksman with the Mauser M1914 "Pocket Pistol," so much so that I have more kills with it than all of my non-Marksman non-1906 non-Rigotti-Optical Medic Rifle kills combined... 433 as of this writing, 4.6kpm. Just purely on stats, the FN 1903 looks to be excellent, but is it just me or does its Reload absolutely sucks? It seems like my guy is just CLAWING at the heel-release for the magazine FOREVER to get that spent mag out....


What is the difference betweent .300 Savage and .35 Rem?

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