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## Remington Model 8 Thread (No .25 Rem. Allowed)

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 5:12am

Someone remind me to update OP tomorrow with Skanic's footage and the nice clips the other guy posted.

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 3:39pm

Can somebody explain to me why the Model 8 .35 is considered an OP weapon balanced by reloads, which is good at close to 100m ranges (which is effective at a laaarge controllable situations), while there is no other comparable weapon available for the other classes. The weapons of the other classes are tailored to certain ranges and Medic gets an OP weapon... AGAIN ?

Is Semi-Auto such a huge disadvantage that its considered a good tradeoff ?

Edit/Ad: Let me rephrase my question:

Why is there only 1 Medic Weapon which enables the player through skill involvement to play at various ranges effectively, while the other classes dont ?

The paradigm of weapons being viable only at certain ranges is evidently evaded by the Model 8 .35
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This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "ARE5R06" (Feb 17th 2017, 4:04pm)

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 5:10pm

### Quoted from "ARE5R06"

why the Model 8 .35 is considered an OP weapon balanced by reloads, which is good at close to 100m ranges

### Quoted from "ARE5R06"

Is Semi-Auto such a huge disadvantage that its considered a good tradeoff ?

### Quoted from "ARE5R06"

Why is there only 1 Medic Weapon which enables the player through skill involvement to play at various ranges effectively, while the other classes dont ?

100m? I wish. The 1906 outdamages the Autoloading 8 . 35 at roughly 47m (usually rounding to 50m), so with comparable skill levels at 47m+ the 1906 user WILL beat the Autoloading 8 .35 user. And even some distance past that, the Mondragon (Sniper?) reigns supreme. It isn't the be all, end all weapon for all situations, just most that matter.

Semi-automatic fire is a massive penalty because any form of recoil or sway requires more cognitive ability to stay on target as opposed to fully-automatic. Fully-automatic is also extremely forgiving because if you miss a shot or two, there are others right behind them to do the job. Missing shots with an extremely low ammo capacity Semi-automatic is detrimental. With the Autoloading 8 .35, one can only afford to miss two shots and they better come after the first because missing that first shot generally sets the tone for that engagement.

Finally, why shouldn't there be a weapon available that heightens the skill ceiling? For a weapon as demanding as the Autoloading 8 .35, it better have an appropriate reward or benefit. And it does. Being one of, if not, the best 1v1 weapons in the game. And it's not like Autoloading 8 pros are a dime a dozen, either. But when you happen upon one, take the proper precautions to avoid engagement ranges he'll excel at and exploit his weaknesses (of which there are a few) to gain the upper hand.
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 6:57pm

### Quoted from "BleedingUranium"

I think you both missed what was actually being asked: The Rem 8 is intentionally designed to be an OP, do-everything weapon, with its small mag as the only downside. The question is, why don't the other classes have their own version of the Rem 8, in a thematic sense? A basically OP gun balanced by capacity/reload.

That doesn't just mean "skill cannons"; the Huot is an extreme laser beam at long range if you use it right, but it's not a Rem 8 equivalent at all. The Revolvers seem to fall into this category, having extremely fast kill times and good RoFs, are effective at all ranges relevant to their weapon class and role, but have long reloads. The Remington 1900 double barrel shotgun will be this as well once we actually get it too.

I disagree when it comes to the Revolvers. They are strictly CQC weapons and total shit outside of CQC. I really don't think there are any Model 8 .35 analogs aside from the Model 10 Slug.

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"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s﻿"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

"please talk like a normal person and not like a professional"

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Friday, February 17th 2017, 7:18pm

### Quoted from "marbleduck"

I disagree when it comes to the Revolvers. They are strictly CQC weapons and total shit outside of CQC. I really don't think there are any Model 8 .35 analogs aside from the Model 10 Slug.

Depending on how you look at range, that does make sense. The Slug definitely makes sense as it includes the good-at-many-ranges trait, though the eventual M1900 would have two buckshot rounds at 300rpm, then reload, which mirrors the 8's high burst damage, low capacity style.
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Friday, February 17th 2017, 7:51pm

### Quoted from "BleedingUranium"

The question is, why don't the other classes have their own version of the Rem 8, in a thematic sense? A basically OP gun balanced by capacity/reload.

Because of the limitations semi-automatic firing imposes. Capacity and reload aren't the only downsides.

### Quoted from "JSLICE20"

Semi-automatic fire is a massive penalty because any form of recoil or sway requires more cognitive ability to stay on target as opposed to fully-automatic. Fully-automatic is also extremely forgiving because if you miss a shot or two, there are others right behind them to do the job. Missing shots with an extremely low ammo capacity Semi-automatic is detrimental. With the Autoloading 8 .35, one can only afford to miss two shots and they better come after the first because missing that first shot generally sets the tone for that engagement.

That said, it's overpowered within a certain range like the Automatico and BAR, even the Martini-Henry. 20 round BAR? Always reloading after an engagement. 25 round Automatico? Always reloading after an engagement. 1 round Martini-Henry? Always reloading after an engagement. So, the other classes do have an overpowered weapon balanced through capacity and, thereby, frequent reloads (not necessarily long ones). And neither overpowered weapon is the best at all ranges. The Model 8 is limited to medium range, the BAR is limited to close-medium range (theoretically), the Automatico is limited to close range, and the Martini-Henry is limited to its sweet spot and sweeter spot (112 damage range) in most cases.
I think this a very silly way to think about "overpowered". The automatico wins close range thanks to 900rpm and great hipfire. It isn't overpowered, it's designed to dominate up close.

The bar dominates up close because it is designed to win up close.

buck guns do exceptionally well < 15 m. Because they are designed for that.

All of these capabilities come a huge cost outside of where they are supposed to be good so there is nothing overpowered about them.

By contrast the Model 8 (and now the slug with it's new damage model) are sort of the "best" guns over very wide ranges of engagements but come with some hefty penalties in usability and if you miss.

I do dramatically better with the 1907 than the Model 8 or slug up close because you can just spit bullets with that thing and it penalizes you far less against the merely average players that you might otherwise die against if you panic dump your model 8 mag, or miss with a slug.

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