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Thursday, February 9th 2017, 10:41pm

Finally, we have more (and probably finalized information at this point) details concerning "They Shall not Pass."

Details.

OPERATIONS
Tackle two new epic Operations: The Devil’s Anvil and Beyond the Marne. Take part in massive tank battles and intense close-quarters fighting.

NEW MAIN AND MELEE WEAPONS
Add all-new weapons to your arsenal with They Shall Not Pass. Get to know the Ribeyrolles 1918, RSC 1917, Lebel Model 1886, Chauchat, Sjögren Inertial, and the MLE 1903 Extended. Experience physical immersion of the brutal melee combat with new weapons like the Cogwheel Club, the Nail Knife and the Trench Fleur.

CLIMB THE RANKS AND GET NEW UNLOCKS
Continue your Battlefield 1 career and progress through 10 new ranks. New medals, dog tags, service stars, and codex entries can also be unlocked in They Shall Not Pass.
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The two new Operations are "The Devil's Anvil" and "Beyond the Marne."

Basically:

The Devil's Anvil - start on Verdun Heights and progress into Fort De Vaux

Beyond the Marne - start on Soissons and end on Rupture (progressing through the time of day featured; morning to evening)

At least that's how I see it.
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho

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Friday, February 10th 2017, 7:21am

We still aren't sure which Ribeyrolles 1918 we're dealing with. There's the Chauchat-Ribeyrolles 1918, an SMG that is basically a shorten Chauchat MG (uses same ammo and magazines), The Ribeyrolles 1918, a Carbine/Assault Rifle type, which basically looks like a shorter RSC 1917 with a long stick mag.

The Chauchat-Ribeyrolles 1918 would almost certainly perform like the Chauchat, just with the appropriate differences one would expect from being shorter and in the SMG class. The Ribeyrolles 1918 sounds like a far more "normal" option, firing an intermediate Assault Rifle-type round at 550-600rpm, with a 25-round mag.

The Sjögren should fit in nicely, the obvious place for it is as the low-RoF semi-auto. There are five different shotguns a game can have before essentially reusing roles: High-RoF and low-RoF pump-action, high-RoF and low-RoF semi-auto, and double barrel. The base game has both pumps and the high-RoF semi, and both that appeared in the files (Sjögren and M1900) give us the remaining two. It may also end up being my new Assault main.

The RSC 1917 could be that 2HK, CQ-focused 5-round SLR that was discussed, and I think that would make a lot of sense. It will likely also reload slower than the other 5-rounders, given its design, which fits with a powerful up-close rifle.

The Chauchat's most notable trait is its extremely slow 240rpm. So slow that it may in fact need to be 2HK up close to actually be worth anything. I'll come back to that.

The Lebel will likely be mid-long range, between the 1895 and G98 possibly. Its most interesting trait is the 8-round tube magazine, so it will hold 9 total and load like most shotguns do, one at a time; no 5-round clips like the other BAs.

Mle 1903 Extended is obviously a Pistol Carbine, just like the M1911 Extended and the rest. Not much to say here, but as the Mle is my favourite sidearm, I'll likely use this as well.


The Chauchat-Ribeyrolles, RSC, Chauchat, and Lebel all use the exact same 8mm round, and while the same round will often have different traits in different weapon classes (mainly SRs), and I'm not suggesting they won't, what's interesting is it's very possible all four of these guns could be 2HK up close (and also otherwise perform similarly, especially the first three). And naturally the Sjögren will be 2HK as well. Would certainly be interesting.


What I really want to see speculation on is variants. What three variants will each of these (well, not the Mle) have? Remember that every gun has to have at least one variant with iron sights.
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Friday, February 10th 2017, 7:29am

The RSC 1917 could be that 2HK, CQ-focused 5-round SLR that was discussed, and I think that would make a lot of sense. It will likely also reload slower than the other 5-rounders, given its design, which fits with a powerful up-close rifle.
Would be interesting if we end up with a 2-4 BTK weapon with a higher TTK than the 8 .35 -- I believe the flexibility of having 2 kills per mag in close combat with a slower, more powerful rifle would be interesting, and not break the balancing "spots" of the current SLR's

I have no idea what sort of ROF the RSC is capable of, but I know the Chauchat fires almost hilariously slowly (240 rpm or so) and uses the same 8x50 Lebel cartridge... Could turn out to be interesting.

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Friday, February 10th 2017, 8:52am

I have no idea what sort of ROF the RSC is capable of, but I know the Chauchat fires almost hilariously slowly (240 rpm or so) and uses the same 8x50 Lebel cartridge... Could turn out to be interesting.


Considering the LA weapon dev's comment on potentially adding a 2HK SLR was that it would have to fire relatively slower... what if the Assault, Medic, and Support rifles all fired at 240rpm? :thumbup:
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Friday, February 10th 2017, 8:54am

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Considering we are getting the Chauchat itself I think we can almost 90% expect to see the Ribeyrolles 1918 Carbine instead of the Chauchat-Ribeyrolles 1918,
considering it fired a rather over-powered cartridge I think we can expect to see it on the lower spectrum of rpm(480-500) with high recoil but better damage and falloff that would probably feature storm, optical and either an experimental burst version or a telescopic version(I really don't want this but it IS a possibility).

I think you are spot on about the RSC 1917 being a 2-shot kill as there is not many other ways they could make it distinguishable from the existing 5-shot SLRs,
it might get a trench variant if the 2-shot kill distance is rather close otherwise we will probably get variants similar to the Selbstlader M1916 or Mondragon.

Again not much they could do with the Sjogren Inertial other than what you suggested, it will be interesting to see if we get a sweeper or slug variant as I don't think we will get an extended(unless we get a completely new variant).

The Chauchat will be the most difficult to balance in a sensible way but I'm just expecting an automatic Selbstlader M1916 with less recoil and accuracy,
for variants probably a low weight, optical and telescopic.

Lebel 1886 like all of the bolt-actions is rather flexible in implementation so I'm not going to bother speculating.

If I'm right about the Ribeyrolles 1918 Carbine, the Federov Avtomat and Burton Light Machine Rifle then we might inevitably get an assault-type weapon for Assault, Medic and Support in the end.

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Friday, February 10th 2017, 8:57am

I have no idea what sort of ROF the RSC is capable of, but I know the Chauchat fires almost hilariously slowly (240 rpm or so) and uses the same 8x50 Lebel cartridge... Could turn out to be interesting.


Considering the LA weapon dev's comment on potentially adding a 2HK SLR was that it would have to fire relatively slower... what if the Assault, Medic, and Support rifles all fired at 240rpm? :thumbup:
I mean, if the RSC 1917 fired at 240 RPM and was capable of a 2 shot kill then it would make the Selbstlader M1916 even MORE useless than it already is as it fires at 224 RPM, the RSC might have to fire as slow as 200 RPM.
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Friday, February 10th 2017, 9:09am

I mean, if the RSC 1917 fired at 240 RPM and was capable of a 2 shot kill then it would make the Selbstlader M1916 even MORE useless than it already is as it fires at 224 RPM, the RSC might have to fire as slow as 200 RPM.


Oh that's right, I'd forgotten the M1916 fired so slow.

For the Sjögren, here are the variants in the Alpha files: Factory, Light Infantry, Hunter; Light Infantry was renamed Storm/Backbored before launch.
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Friday, February 10th 2017, 9:19am

I mean, if the RSC 1917 fired at 240 RPM and was capable of a 2 shot kill then it would make the Selbstlader M1916 even MORE useless than it already is as it fires at 224 RPM, the RSC might have to fire as slow as 200 RPM.


Oh that's right, I'd forgotten the M1916 fired so slow.

For the Sjögren, here are the variants in the Alpha files: Factory, Light Infantry, Hunter; Light Infantry was renamed Storm/Backbored before launch.


Aw, that's sorta disappointing but it makes sense, by the way how do you view the old files now? I only ever saw them on a Reddit post and I can't find it anymore.
The thing that got me the most excited was the mention of a grappling gun but it's either being saved for a DLC down the line or it was scraped :(
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Friday, February 10th 2017, 9:56am

Aw, that's sorta disappointing but it makes sense, by the way how do you view the old files now? I only ever saw them on a Reddit post and I can't find it anymore.
The thing that got me the most excited was the mention of a grappling gun but it's either being saved for a DLC down the line or it was scraped :(


That would likely have been mine, and there should be another link over there to the original pastebin list of stuff pulled from the files.
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Friday, February 10th 2017, 10:11am

Considering that the Sniper Rifles are 1-2 hit kill at <60 RPM, I'd imagine that a 2HK SLR would be closer to a 2-3 BTK at 149 RPM, 163 RPM at the most.

If it was a 2-3 shot at 200 RPM, it would kill faster than the Auto 8 in close range and have a middling TTK at longer ranges.

Any faster than 163 RPM and it becomes too good. It'd need really bad spread to offset this.
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