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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 12:58am

Yeah, but they were able to deploy thes enumbers, because it was a low quality weapon made out of cheap steel. The half-moon magazine also did nothing but look fancy. :D And I do not know who got the idea that a magazine with a partially open side would make a reliable battle asset.

It did the job that was put in front of it, poorly, but it was the best you could get. Until better options came along.

Naturally it will be in BF1, and they will make it work somehow, but even with a 4 hit kill, it would still fire at a third of the rate of the M240B and will likely field as much recoil. So then you can only make it work in close range, and even then the spread mechanics would be totally detrimental to the damage and recoil model.
They will make it work somehow, but I have no idea how a weapon like this, with the mechanics we have will fit into the portfolio. I mean we already have a lot of rather underused and underperforming weapons.

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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 1:14am

Yeah, but they were able to deploy thes enumbers, because it was a low quality weapon made out of cheap steel. The half-moon magazine also did nothing but look fancy. :D And I do not know who got the idea that a magazine with a partially open side would make a reliable battle asset.

It did the job that was put in front of it, poorly, but it was the best you could get. Until better options came along.

Naturally it will be in BF1, and they will make it work somehow, but even with a 4 hit kill, it would still fire at a third of the rate of the M240B and will likely field as much recoil. So then you can only make it work in close range, and even then the spread mechanics would be totally detrimental to the damage and recoil model.
They will make it work somehow, but I have no idea how a weapon like this, with the mechanics we have will fit into the portfolio. I mean we already have a lot of rather underused and underperforming weapons.

Welcome to real life realities of manufacturing. Quality, volume, cost all trade off. The machine gun you have is infinitely better than the machine gun you are waiting on to be delivered.

Underused/underperforming weapons are a BF game reality as well so no one should be surprised there.

You are quite right that the Chauchat basically has to be included otherwise they give up any pretext of being representative of the equipment of the era.

They can do whatever the hell they want with it balance wise beyond the rates of fire which appear to largely be historic though. We might be surprised. Maybe it'll be a tapfire Huot?

I mean they included the Huot which basically didnt even really exist in quantity.

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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 4:21am

I am hoping they do end up adding in some equivalent to the 7.62 mgs from BF3 and 4. Bad recoil but high damage and low rof. Those are always fun. The last thing support needs is another "accurate long range low rof" weapon. We already have the Huot and Benet for that.

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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 11:38am

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Ha, yeah this is true. I mean the Chauchat was in the field for more than a year until other options came along in meaningful numbers, if I recall correctly.

And as much as I do not like the gunplay mechanics of BF1 compared to BF4, I would not want DICE to soften them up to make some weapons work, like if they made a traditional tapfire LMG like the Pecheneg out of it, by reducing their FSM and reverting to the old spread model, the one that still applies to SLRs basically. Anyway to balance this weapon is a huge task.

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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 1:06pm

In reality, just every autoloading small arm of the time was quite unreliable. Practically every single semi-automatic rifle of the period that I've read about, fielded or not fielded, had reliability issues when exposed to dust, mud, and/or fouling. Same goes for practically all of the SMGs and automatic rifles of the time. Semi-automatic and automatic pistols? Even the much-revered M1911 and Luger P08 would almost certainly become complete garbage once dirt would get into the action. Really, the only autoloaders of the time that were reliable were those that were seriously overbuilt, weighed over 25 pounds, and were likely water-cooled.

The Chauchat was by no means a great gun, but it's infamy is largely due to the sheer numbers issued, alongside with the nightmare that was the .30-06 Springfield variant. If something like the Cei-Rigotti, Mondragon, or MP18 were issued in such numbers, they'd also probably be getting considerable flak among internet communities.

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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 1:40pm

Luger P08 would almost certainly become complete garbage once dirt would get into the action

Mud Test: WW1 & WW2 P08 Luger - YouTube

i have doubs about that.

i know, using a single example as proof is bad, but this was quite the extreme test...
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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 4:37pm

In reality, just every autoloading small arm of the time was quite unreliable. Practically every single semi-automatic rifle of the period that I've read about, fielded or not fielded, had reliability issues when exposed to dust, mud, and/or fouling. Same goes for practically all of the SMGs and automatic rifles of the time. Semi-automatic and automatic pistols? Even the much-revered M1911 and Luger P08 would almost certainly become complete garbage once dirt would get into the action. Really, the only autoloaders of the time that were reliable were those that were seriously overbuilt, weighed over 25 pounds, and were likely water-cooled.

The Chauchat was by no means a great gun, but it's infamy is largely due to the sheer numbers issued, alongside with the nightmare that was the .30-06 Springfield variant. If something like the Cei-Rigotti, Mondragon, or MP18 were issued in such numbers, they'd also probably be getting considerable flak among internet communities.



MP18? Very unlikely. the only issue it had was that the Luger magazines were ridiculously complicated and expensive to produce, and that it was somewhat too heavy for its role. But past that, it inspired a generation of weapons. to quote wikipedia "The MP 18 proved to be an excellent weapon. Its concept was well-proven in trench fighting. The basic design directly influenced later submachine gun designs and showed its superiority over the regular infantry rifle in urban, mobile, and guerrilla warfare."

This is completely unlike the Chauchat that forever set in stone that you never, ever, ever use a long-recoil system for your light machine gun, because moving barrel + heat expansion = you are fucked, son. When dumping 6 magazines down range with the Chauchat, the thing would become inoperable for a period of time lasting anywhere from 2 to 4 minutes. There wasn't a single aspect about the Mondragon that everyone else didn't can immediately afterwards. Nobody else used the half-circle magazine. Noboby else ever employed a moving barrel on a LMG. Everything about the gun was unfit for its role

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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 7:20pm

If it's amazingly good at range it doesn't need to be good (or even useable) up close. Making it good at all ranges would not be balanced. Besides, support has access to the bulldog revolver, which has one of the best TTKs in the game (barring shotguns) out to 15 meters.
The chauchat had a rate of fire most comparable to the mondragon and only a 20 round magazine. That by itstelf would balance the gun just fine if it had good damage.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2016, 8:47pm

I am hoping they do end up adding in some equivalent to the 7.62 mgs from BF3 and 4. Bad recoil but high damage and low rof. Those are always fun. The last thing support needs is another "accurate long range low rof" weapon. We already have the Huot and Benet for that. a machine gun mirroring that of the M60's statistics.

That's better. XD
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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho


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Thursday, December 22nd 2016, 11:35am

I am hoping they do end up adding in some equivalent to the 7.62 mgs from BF3 and 4. Bad recoil but high damage and low rof. Those are always fun. The last thing support needs is another "accurate long range low rof" weapon. We already have the Huot and Benet for that. a machine gun mirroring that of the M60's statistics.

That's better. XD


Wait, what? Why are there lines now? How do you know I meant the M60? I might have been talking about the PKM or the M240B, also in other games.