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Monday, November 28th 2016, 9:46am

2 Pistols that have no place in this game atm

Why use these 2 following mid tier pistols, if you the choise of a bigger hard hitting brother (aka 1911) that can kill with 3 instead, or 4 kills or a much faster smaller brother (frommer stop, 193 hammerless)that has a rof of 449?
The following pistols are stuck in the middle, without a role in the game in current state:
- Mauser C96 (28 dmg / 299 rof)
- P08 pistol (30 dmg / 299 rof)
Especially as they have the same rof of the 1911, with only 30 dmg instead of 34. This is 4 hit to kill up close instead of 3.

@DICE: Please give these pistols a role in the game again and give them or a 359 rof (like borchard C93, Steyr M1912) or give them a 33/34 hit kill up close.

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Monday, November 28th 2016, 10:21am

Thread enabled and bumped.

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Monday, November 28th 2016, 10:31am

Both the Mauser and P08 have better hRecoil and SIPS than the M1911.

This means they will land consecutive shots better than the M1911 outside of spitting distance.
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Monday, November 28th 2016, 11:25am

I can not argue with the hrecoil and sips, BUT sidearms/backups (real life and gaming)are only used between 0-15 meters so my point still stands regarding altering ór the rof ór the dmg of these 2 pistols.

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Monday, November 28th 2016, 11:28am

How about the fact both of those pistols draw 0.05s faster?

Or the drastically higher velocities?

Also, do not underestimate the effect that spread and hRec have on landing your hits.

As for only being used within 15m, pretty sure the Gasser 2 hits out to 20m.
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Monday, November 28th 2016, 11:29am

C96: highest Ammo count, second highest bullet velocity, nice ads spread, good horizontal recoil - all in all for me the perfect second line medic sidearm to finish off hurt enemys

Same could be said for the P08 within all-class perspektiv
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Monday, November 28th 2016, 12:23pm

Maybe it's my playstyle then?
Only switch to sidearm if I "a" need to reload, or "b" am waiting in a house for an enemy to show up en finish him off in CQB (f.i.: sniper with slow firing primary = less effective).
In both situations, a 3 hit kill (1911->45% accuracy with +150 kills)keeps me alive most of the time versus a 4 hit kill with P08/C96 with the same rof.

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Monday, November 28th 2016, 12:29pm

Maybe it's my playstyle then?


Yes.

Not everyone uses pistols in just 0-15m.
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Monday, November 28th 2016, 12:53pm

They should / They are meaned for that sole purpose: "side-arm" An arm on the side of your primary weapon ;)

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Monday, November 28th 2016, 1:00pm

On the subject of sidearms, would anyone be able to suggest a good support sidearm? I just find most aren't worth switching out my MG15 for. At the moment I use the Repetierpistole mostly for looks and decent damage, but I rarely switch to it. Is there a good sidearm for extreme cqb? I used the bulldog for a while but even it seems to become 3hk beyond point blank range (although that long reload time is invigorating in the heat of battle!).