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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 6:54am

Does being casual somehow bar people from discussions?

What is bad about being a casual gamer?
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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 6:57am

Could I kindly ask the administration to nuke the thread? The title is embarrassing. Battlefield creators may be misguided here and there but they are not stupid. I do, however, point my finger at one clear contender for the honorable medal of stupidity right now..

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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 10:17am

Could I kindly ask the administration to nuke the thread? The title is embarrassing. Battlefield creators may be misguided here and there but they are not stupid. I do, however, point my finger at one clear contender for the honorable medal of stupidity right now..
read the thread buddy

Does being casual somehow bar people from discussions?

What is bad about being a casual gamer?
well casuals dont understand what makes a good game they may FEEL whats good but cant figure out what mechanics ect are good or bad.

nothing wrong with being casual but if your casual your opinion means nothing when it comes to making a game more skill based since a casual is not a skilled player and would prefer the game to be dumbed down so they can have a blast on the weekend without needing hours of practice just to master a SINGLE aspect of the game.

You cant argue with casuals they just tell you to go back to COD, they dont want a movemment system or mechanics that raise the skillgap because they are too casual to realize BF is not a milsim

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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 10:39am

well casuals dont understand what makes a good game they may FEEL whats good but cant figure out what mechanics ect are good or bad.

nothing wrong with being casual but if your casual your opinion means nothing when it comes to making a game more skill based since a casual is not a skilled player and would prefer the game to be dumbed down so they can have a blast on the weekend without needing hours of practice just to master a SINGLE aspect of the game.

You cant argue with casuals they just tell you to go back to COD, they dont want a movemment system or mechanics that raise the skillgap because they are too casual to realize BF is not a milsim


> Casual Player
> Military Simulator

Pick one.

You do not even properly use the term "casual player" here.

Not only that, but your reasoning is off the mark.



DICE shouldn't listen to players that have no idea what they are talking about, that much is true.

Whether or not that player is "casual" has nothing to do with their experience.

A casual player can be entirely right about weapon balance.

What matters is knowledge, not playtime.



And again, throwing out the buzzword "skill."

Define it.
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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 11:07am

well casuals dont understand what makes a good game they may FEEL whats good but cant figure out what mechanics ect are good or bad.

nothing wrong with being casual but if your casual your opinion means nothing when it comes to making a game more skill based since a casual is not a skilled player and would prefer the game to be dumbed down so they can have a blast on the weekend without needing hours of practice just to master a SINGLE aspect of the game.

You cant argue with casuals they just tell you to go back to COD, they dont want a movemment system or mechanics that raise the skillgap because they are too casual to realize BF is not a milsim

Being casual and well-informed are not mutually exclusive. Likewise, being skilled and uninformed are also not mutually exclusive.

There are plenty of casual players that are well-informed (many people on this forum). There are also plenty of skilled players who are uninformed (all the Level 140 Assault players still using HB + stubby on their AEK).


Don't talk as if being casual and uninformed go hand-in-hand. They don't.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 11:55am

I actually dislike the inclusion of Elite Classes in smaller infantry only game modes as well. To me, they function similarly to vehicles in the modes with actual vehicles, which is why I am opposed to their appearance in Domination, War Pigeons, and Team Deathmatch where there are solely infantry on the battlefield.

For modes such as Conquest, Rush, and Operations however, I feel that Elite Classes have a place among other vehicles.

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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 12:14pm

THe thing is that hero classes dont belong in TDM DOM or WP, they are annoying enough in CQL but to have them in TDM and others is plain stupid.
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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 2:11pm

Does being casual somehow bar people from discussions?

What is bad about being a casual gamer?
well casuals dont understand what makes a good game they may FEEL whats good but cant figure out what mechanics ect are good or bad.

nothing wrong with being casual but if your casual your opinion means nothing when it comes to making a game more skill based since a casual is not a skilled player and would prefer the game to be dumbed down so they can have a blast on the weekend without needing hours of practice just to master a SINGLE aspect of the game.

You cant argue with casuals they just tell you to go back to COD, they dont want a movemment system or mechanics that raise the skillgap because they are too casual to realize BF is not a milsim


> Casual Player
> Military Simulator

Pick one.

You do not even properly use the term "casual player" here.

Not only that, but your reasoning is off the mark.



DICE shouldn't listen to players that have no idea what they are talking about, that much is true.

Whether or not that player is "casual" has nothing to do with their experience.

A casual player can be entirely right about weapon balance.

What matters is knowledge, not playtime.



And again, throwing out the buzzword "skill."

Define it.
I actually dislike the inclusion of Elite Classes in smaller infantry only game modes as well. To me, they function similarly to vehicles in the modes with actual vehicles, which is why I am opposed to their appearance in Domination, War Pigeons, and Team Deathmatch where there are solely infantry on the battlefield.

For modes such as Conquest, Rush, and Operations however, I feel that Elite Classes have a place among other vehicles.
Exactly right, people play DOM and war pigeon for infantry skill and gunplay.

The elite class on these game modes is totally unbalanced it doesnt matter if anyone can pick them up, they definetly wont be in scrims for this exact reason.

Who thought adding them to TDM was a good idea....

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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 2:34pm

well to be fair, the simple addition of tdm to the battlefield franchise was a bad idea from the start, squad deathmatch was already pushing it.... domination at least makes some amount of sense.
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Thursday, October 27th 2016, 3:24pm

I actually dislike the inclusion of Elite Classes in smaller infantry only game modes as well. To me, they function similarly to vehicles in the modes with actual vehicles, which is why I am opposed to their appearance in Domination, War Pigeons, and Team Deathmatch where there are solely infantry on the battlefield.

For modes such as Conquest, Rush, and Operations however, I feel that Elite Classes have a place among other vehicles.


I actually think that would be amusing to watch for like an ESL "LOL" break in-between the serious competitive rounds.

5v5 Calvary Class on Suez. xD