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Friday, November 18th 2016, 5:58am

The thing with bf1 is that you have to fight at those ranges where your guns is good.
So when i play with an Automatico i would try and stay as close to buildings and other cover as possible.
I would say the beauty of the Madsen and BAR is that you dont have to care about range, they are decent everywhere and the closest things to assault rifles we have.

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Friday, November 18th 2016, 6:21am

I would say the beauty of the Madsen and BAR is that you dont have to care about range, they are decent everywhere and the closest things to assault rifles we have.


I have the Madsen Trench and I love it; the hipfire is hilariously accurate. The Madsen LW is the next gun on my list to buy, and with the LW buffs (especially Bipod) it may end up being one of my favourite guns in the game.
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Friday, November 18th 2016, 7:11am

And if you want to have the fastest accuracy you use the light weight version of the LMG'S.

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Friday, November 18th 2016, 10:33am

And given their rates of fire, it is unacceptable to reach seven bullets to kill for direct hits to the chest.

As I said before, I have a suspicion that the Huot and Lewis are just fine. Based on my experience with horizontal recoil in BF4.

We'll have to wait and see what leptis puts together.


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Thanks so much for doing that :thumbup:
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

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In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


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Friday, November 18th 2016, 8:48pm

Comparing the four currently available Low Weight variants of light machine guns would be very much welcomed.

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Friday, November 18th 2016, 8:54pm

Comparing the four currently available Low Weight variants of light machine guns would be very much welcomed.


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Friday, November 18th 2016, 8:58pm

I know. Other people were asking for a hit rate chart.

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Saturday, November 19th 2016, 10:04am

After playing around with other LMGs, I still have to say that 7 BTK is not bad considering their accuracy.

Not to mention the Low Weight on Huot lets it reset faster.

The Lewis variants are also very diverse.

Sure the Madsen is similar with faster fire rate but it misses a lot. The Huot and Lewis don't.
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Saturday, November 19th 2016, 5:15pm

It's 6 BTK.
Only the Lewis and the Huot have 7 BTK.

So far i like the Light weight version the most. MG 15 light weigt, Madsen.

And the Storm bar/trench.

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Saturday, November 19th 2016, 11:09pm

Never said the Madsen or other LMGs had 7 BTK.

"Their" referred to the Lewis and Huot.
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